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I really want to support AMD since Ryzen... but with these releases they make me want to retract.

Retract to who, the other brand that has done the exact same thing? At least they didnt try and spin it off as a "new" design. . .

They tried releasing new arch and it was not cost effective, and even when they had superior products they were still not even a consideration because all major sites pushed team grean and red was never good enough.Thats why my 480 is the first red card since the x1800xt or whatever. . . Now I try and look at the whole picture.
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That's interesting :

https://www.techpowerup.com/232498/radeon-rx-480-cards-can-successfully-be-flashed-to-rx-580
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Seems like they made the RX480 worse. Yes, its slightly faster but the efficiency is lost...

My GTX 780 is about the same performance and same power efficiency and it was released in 2013.

The RX480, while performing similar, uses 80 watts less. If you want that performance on a budget, just look for a 780ti used. They go for under $300. If you want the efficiency, go for the 480. I don't see why anyone would want the 580 over it.

Couldn't disagree more.

If you want performance on a budget, 290x without a doubt. They go for under 170$, while being faster (some times A LOT faster) than the 780ti.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-1-directx-12-benchmark,5017.html


And the true performance/efficiency parallel to the 580 is neither the 780 or 780ti, is again the 290x itself.
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AMD has little to spend in R&D, so technically they need little returns. Intel spends a bunch on R&D and comes up with extremely small increments in performance improvements, but they still have to pay for those huge R&D costs, which is why they charge so much.

Are they overcharging? Maybe. But it's not as if they can actually go as low as AMD either. Not for long anyway.

Still Intel has a lot more flexibility on its pricing structure compared to AMD.

Intel has a 60% gross margin and a operating margin of almost 30%. AMD on the other hand has half of Intel's gross margins and a negative operating margin. Not to mention Intel is holding almost $9B in cash and short-term investments while AMD only has $1B.

https://www.intc.com/investor-relations/investor-education-and-news/investor-news/press-release-details/2017/Intel-Reports-Record-Full-Year-Revenue-of-594-Billion-Reports-Record-Quarterly-Revenue-of-164-Billion/default.aspx

If Intel wanted to, they can lower their prices and wipe out Ryzen's pricing advantage.
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Seems like they made the RX480 worse. Yes, its slightly faster but the efficiency is lost...

My GTX 780 is about the same performance and same power efficiency and it was released in 2013.

The RX480, while performing similar, uses 80 watts less. If you want that performance on a budget, just look for a 780ti used. They go for under $300. If you want the efficiency, go for the 480. I don't see why anyone would want the 580 over it.

GTX 780?

Whats that? lachen.gif

I would never.... Suggest anyone do that. those cards have been done for a while.
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Couldn't disagree more.

If you want performance on a budget, 290x without a doubt. They go for under 170$, while being faster (some times A LOT faster) than the 780ti.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-1-directx-12-benchmark,5017.html


And the true performance/efficiency parallel to the 580 is neither the 780 or 780ti, is again the 290x itself.

That's fine. I'm not up to date with all used prices but there you go. My point being is that the 580 makes no sense. Either get a 480 if you a want a new budget gpu. Or go for an older generation. I bet people will be selling 480's now for less. I also hope that the retail price of 480's go down too.
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That's fine. I'm not up to date with all used prices but there you go. My point being is that the 580 makes no sense. Either get a 480 if you a want a new budget gpu. Or go for an older generation. I bet people will be selling 480's now for less. I also hope that the retail price of 480's go down too.

Only way retail would go down on 480 was if the 580 was priced the same.


They are still expensive on. Even on ebay mad.gif
post #118 of 129
People have gotten nice power savings by undervolting the 480 and 580... if power usage is a large concern for you. Technically the 580 should be $10 cheaper than the 480.

Unless you get a good deal on the 480, why not get that extra few % of performance for less money?
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Only way retail would go down on 480 was if the 580 was priced the same.


They are still expensive on. Even on ebay mad.gif

On newegg.co.uk, they're priced the same. So, why would you buy one? Paying the same money for a card that will produce more heat (50+ watts) and use more energy. 30% less efficient, for 10% more performance.

Simply put, the original RX 480 was designed for a purpose. To be a great perf/watt card. Now they throw more power at it but it doesn't translate to actual performance. It's not efficient design in my opinion. If the 8GB RX480 drops at least 10% in price, then it's a no brainer.

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=rx+480+8gb&N=-1&isNodeId=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=rx+580+8gb&N=-1&isNodeId=1
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GTX 780?

Whats that? lachen.gif

I would never.... Suggest anyone do that. those cards have been done for a while.



Well its only leading by 9% on a card released nearly 5 years ago.rolleyes.gif

Brand new card barely leading a 780. Shows how far AMD has fallen behind.
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