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^^ Wow that's a thirsty little bugger lol! Over the 7970 too!

I'll snag a cheap RX 480 and wait till VEGA.....wait and wait and wait redface.gif
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^^ Wow that's a thirsty little bugger lol! Over the 7970 too!

I'll snag a cheap RX 480 and wait till VEGA.....wait and wait and wait redface.gif

I'm tired of waiting.

I've been saying for months that I was waiting for Vega; but I'm getting tired of waiting. The performance is here now with a 1080ti. I don't want to buy it, but AMD is taking entirely too long.

Patience you say??? This is a hobby for me. You're essentially telling me to put my hobby on hold. It's not a need, it's a want. My patience for a "want" is limited and somewhat irrational, but again....it's a hobby.

I want to build now!!!

AMD better release some worth while information quick, fast and in a hurry or people like me are going to say screw it, hold their noses and buy nVidia.
Edited by LancerVI - 4/18/17 at 5:05pm
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Consumes more than a GTX 1070 , GTX 1080, R9 380X, HD7970, or just under a 3 generation old GTX 780



Midrange card should be ~ 120-150W

The problem is that it is clocked beyond the efficiency point of GCN (i.e. past 1100MHz).

The six IR3555 are > 90% efficient up until 45A so it's not the VRM's fault.

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Also see

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-undervolting-performance_183699

Polaris appears to be most efficient around 1.05V , typically around 1050-1100MHz.

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^^ Wow that's a thirsty little bugger lol! Over the 7970 too!

I'll snag a cheap RX 480 and wait till VEGA.....wait and wait and wait redface.gif

This custom aftermarket card does consume 219W, but right below in the same chart is a reference 580 at 191W. People are misled due to an aftermarket number and assume all the cards follow suit. It also takes away from the fact that a TDP rating is higher than the actual wattage used, typically 15-35W higher.

It just trips me that people only care about power consumption just because it's another number to compare when they end up overclocking anyway and throw all those numbers out the window. The GCN architecture was never really on the efficient side of things, so for people to expect anything different this time around amazes me. This is coming from someone who has used GCN throughout the generations, 7950>290>Fury X.

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I'm tired of waiting.

I've been saying for months that I was waiting for Vega; but I'm getting tired of waiting. The performance is here now with a 1080ti. I don't want to buy it, but AMD is taking entirely too long.

Patience you say??? This is a hobby for me. You're essentially telling me to put my hobby on hold. It's not a need, it's a want. My patience for a "want" is limited and somewhat irrational, but again....it's a hobby.

I want to build now!!!

AMD better release some worth while information quick, fast and in a hurry or people like me are going to say screw it, hold their noses and buy nVidia.

Sounds entitled. Go buy a 1080Ti if you need something now. Better yet, why not buy a cheap used GPU for $100-150 and resell for not much less if you really want to buy Vega?
    
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Show me a reference RX 580?

Every single one is not pushing 1.0V-1.05V but more along the lines of 1.15V to 1.2V or more, when Nvidia counterparts are running at most ~ 1.05V. So it isn't that far off since the IR3555 isn't to blame for that power consumption. The SIC632 on the Sapphire Nitro+ will be worse ; the same goes for MSI / Gigabyte (definitely worse since the mosfet used can only put out 30A and has > 8 milliohms RDS(On))/ Powercolor.
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I could care less about the power consumption of these cards. We still recommend PSU's that are way overkill for almost every system. If we were running 350s PSU's or really crappy 400w ones...yeah it would be an issue, but tbh I don't think any of us are. In the case were someone might add one to an oem system wouldn't we recommend a psu upgrade anyways? Regardless I'm sure we will hear about it from now til the next iteration while all the while recommending 500w single gpu configs and 750w dual gpu configs.... rolleyes.gif
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80 watts over the 1060 and everyone is losing their minds?
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80 watts over the 1060 and everyone is losing their minds?

For what? roughly the same performance? (don't forget any 1060 can overclock pretty good, +200MHz on core and +600MHz on memory) and the same price?

I mean, i could buy NOW a Zotac 1060 6GB AMP! for 256€ and crank it up to 2050-2100/4400-4500 and destroy 480 and 580 for the same price of a decent 580 when they're actually available.
Edited by oxidized - 4/18/17 at 6:45pm
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80 watts over the 1060 and everyone is losing their minds?

It's roughly a 60% increase for equivalent performance. That's the issue, not so much the headline number. The efficiency is terrible, which means they better have improved it significantly for Vega.
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Show me a reference RX 580?

Every single one is not pushing 1.0V-1.05V but more along the lines of 1.15V to 1.2V or more, when Nvidia counterparts are running at most ~ 1.05V. So it isn't that far off since the IR3555 isn't to blame for that power consumption. The SIC632 on the Sapphire Nitro+ will be worse ; the same goes for MSI / Gigabyte (definitely worse since the mosfet used can only put out 30A and has > 8 milliohms RDS(On))/ Powercolor.

My mistake, I thought the MSI was a reference card when there aren't any at all.

Regardless my point about the exaggeration about power consumption still stands. Just about everyone in OCN has a 500-1200W PSU and so many are complaining about a GPU that would make their system run at 300-350W.
    
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For what? roughly the same performance? (don't forget any 1060 can overclock pretty good, +200MHz on core and +600MHz on memory) and the same price?

I mean, i could buy NOW a Zotac 1060 6GB AMP! for 256€ and crank it up to 2050-2100/4400-4500 and destroy 480 and 580 for the same price of a decent 580 when they're actually available.
Your 1060 is at 1860mhz stock. A 2100mhz OC puts it at slight over 10%. You aren't destroying any 580 unless it's a gameworks ridden game. Way too many of those around nowadays.
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It's roughly a 60% increase for equivalent performance. That's the issue, not so much the headline number. The efficiency is terrible, which means they better have improved it significantly for Vega.
Duh, it's reaching far higher clocks than the average 480. This isn't the first time that considerably more power draw is needed for higher clocks. Polaris sweet spot is in the 1100 - 1200mhz range, after that it's exponential gains in power consumption for clock speed. Pascal would exhibit this as well if it weren't hard locked.
What you won't see is that the 580 multimedia and idle power consumption matches that of the 1060. Easy to forget that the 390 just last gen was consuming 120 more watts than a 970 on average and 20 more watts in multimedia.
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