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I'm invested in AMD software related material and don't want to have to relearn how to use Nvidia material, plus I don't support overpricing and monopolization. The Fury series everyone agreed isn't worth the upgrade from a 290.

As someone who upgraded from an XFX R9 290 to the Sapphire R9 Fury NITRO+ I respectfully disagree. I am experiencing much improved performance with the Fury compared to my old card and will sell this 290 off when I can. It was a beast when I got it and I really enjoyed it, but this Fury is a beastial card and the build quality on it is second to none.
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The fast 580s are about 9% faster on average than a Radeon 390 across a spectrum of games.

The next high performance parts from AMD launch in May in the form of Vega based cards. That is just next month, folks. No need to get upset.
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They managed to make it a turd in every catagory (price, performance and efficiency) very impressive indeed.
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I'm not sure it will make any difference seeing as the 500 series is on 14LPC whereas 400 series is on 14LPP.
500 series is still LPP

14LPP is 2nd generation 14nm from Samsung/GloFo, the slides for the 500 series says 3rd generation which would mean they are 14LPC. 4th gen 14nm will be 14LPU.

I also love all the hate from people for GloFo based on pre-IBM GloFo. GloFo/IBM deal included the IBM engineers which are some of the best in the business.
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Welp, I'm pretty glad I jumped ship from red to green. Swapped to a GTX 1080 from a R9 290 a few weeks ago and I'm very happy I did. AMD just can't perform on the same level as NVidia these days.
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290x power draw, the 390x power draw is arond 320w(Overclcoked 290x)

but really what is makign worse amd at power effiiciency is trying to push core clock, instead using more SPs

I did not know the 390 pulled that much power over the 290x, thx.


Even more baffling, is that these rx580 are pulling as much watts (or more) as the 1080ti and half the performance.
post #37 of 140
these cards dont deserve a new branding imo. all they really are basicly are RX485/475 (imo) or a new stepping
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I did not know the 390 pulled that much power over the 290x, thx.


Even more baffling, is that these rx580 are pulling as much watts (or more) as the 1080ti and half the performance.
well the 390x uses more power, the 390 just uses 14w less than a 290x


  
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An interesting question is whether or not this is as much as GCN can take.

I was hoping to see something along the lines of what AMD did for the 4870 - release a slightly revised 4890 that offered better clocks, but did not increase the power consumption. That does not seem to be happening. Perhaps AMD simply doesn't have the money to do it.

Perhaps that is why they made Vega as well - this may be the limit of what GCN can do as an architecture, which is party why they have to release Vega. The next GPU will hopefully be a refinement - a leap on the scale not seen since the 7970 was released for AMD. If not AMD is in trouble on the GPU front.

What I really want to know is if there is more OC headroom. The very best RX 480 could do up to 1500 MHz. I am wondering if this will exceed that or if this will not.



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Unless you've been living under a rock you know past 1100MHz these Polaris cards become more inefficient perf/watt wise.

Sapphire seems to be using the RX 480 cooler with added heatpipes. On the bright side the Sapphire RX 580 Nitro + PCB appears to have all 6 mosfets this time around but who knows if they're being used and whether the ones you buy will have all 6 enabled.

the difference is striking http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-580-8G-Grafikkarte-265939/Tests/RX-570-Review-Benchmarks-1225896/ (Click to show)



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Also Vishay 50A SiC632A x6 is used instead of 40A IR3553 x5
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ASus appears to have changed the cooler to improve contact with the core for RX 580.

https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2017/04/18/asus-radeon-rx-580-strix-gaming-top-oc/2

This card should be interesting though:Sapphire Radeon PULSE RX 570 ITX
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202284
The only caveat is 4 phase VRM based off the rear of PCB

More reviews:
https://www.nordichardware.se/test/test-amd-radeon-rx-580-och-rx-570.html
http://www.expreview.com/53482-3.html
https://news.xfastest.com/review/33736/gigabyte-aorus-rx-580-8g-xtr-graphics-card-review/ <--- don't buy Gigabyte AMD GPU boards. Triple the RDS(on) vs XFX , double vs STRIX/NITRO rolleyes.gif
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7337/amd-radeon-rx-570-en-rx-580-review-incl-4-way-crossfire-polaris-20


I think that it is likely that we will have to see better coolers across the board. This thing is hot. Not quite to 290X levels, but still hot.

It will be interesting to see if they have upgraded the PCBs as well to account for this. I would also like to see a 75W limited for the PCIe slots, particularly given the past criticism that AMD has received on this matter.

Agree they are way past the power efficiency vs performance curve on GCN. I don't see this selling that well, but considering the power consumption, it is extremely important this time to buy a good PCB and cooler.



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I did not know the 390 pulled that much power over the 290x, thx.


Even more baffling, is that these rx580 are pulling as much watts (or more) as the 1080ti and half the performance.


Sadly it was just an overclocked 290X. There was no refinement of the die unlike the 4890 vs 4870. The same thing seems to be happening here.

They have reached a point where you don't see much performance, but a lot of power consumption for eat fps you can get. It's like a "pre overclocked" GPU.





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As someone who upgraded from an XFX R9 290 to the Sapphire R9 Fury NITRO+ I respectfully disagree. I am experiencing much improved performance with the Fury compared to my old card and will sell this 290 off when I can. It was a beast when I got it and I really enjoyed it, but this Fury is a beastial card and the build quality on it is second to none.


The Fury X is within 25-30% performance of the 290X. That's not really the night and day that we were hoping for - we were hoping for a near 45% increase considering the presence of HBM and 45% more shaders. The Fury X underwhelmed, like due to a combination of its weak front end (command processor was not updated) and back end (ROPs may have been a bottleneck here too).

That's why there was very little enthusiasm for the Fury X - it was also very limited in the amount of overclocking headroom.
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The Fury X is within 25-30% performance of the 290X. That's not really the night and day that we were hoping for - we were hoping for a near 45% increase considering the presence of HBM and 45% more shaders. The Fury X underwhelmed, like due to a combination of its weak front end (command processor was not updated) and back end (ROPs may have been a bottleneck here too).

That's why there was very little enthusiasm for the Fury X - it was also very limited in the amount of overclocking headroom.

Sure, on release it was definitely disappointing, no argument there. But I'm not talking about Fury/X on release, I'm talking about when I bought this R9 Fury NITRO+ this last November for $260 brand new. Nowadays, the Fury I've got consistently outperforms the 2/390/X without any hassle, especially at 1440p. That's what I care about, what it does for me now for the price I paid for it. And in that situation, it's a phenomenal card!
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