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It gets worse looking at the average power draw:





GCN needs to die already. It's needed to die for years at this point, since Maxwell first arrived. There's no excusing this nonsense, it's a woefully noncompetitive architecture at this point.
Vega seems to be GCN...
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Which chart are you looking at? I'm referencing this one, which shows the RX 580 drawing 1080 Ti levels of power with half the performance. I don't see AMD releasing a 400w+ card anytime soon.
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It gets worse looking at the average power draw:





GCN needs to die already. It's needed to die for years at this point, since Maxwell first arrived. There's no excusing this nonsense, it's a woefully noncompetitive architecture at this point.

It won't die as long as Sony and Microsoft want backward compatibility on the consoles.
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It won't die as long as Sony and Microsoft want backward compatibility on the consoles.
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as long as consoles still use GCN, it won't die
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It won't die as long as Sony and Microsoft want backward compatibility on the consoles.

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as long as consoles still use GCN, it won't die


AMD/ATi, Nvidia, and Intel do not and never would restrict further product development in a highly competitive HPC and PC space for the primary purpose of serving a console manufacturer's desires (as if 1. console manufacturers ever swore by backwards compatibility or had any other options other than AMD to do so or 2. didn't want more efficient designs anyway for cost effectiveness). No, if GCN as it is continues to live (obviously in the HPC/PC space, not talking about producing GCN products exclusively for console contracts), it is simply because RTG lacked the R&D funds and/or engineering foresight (most likely more of the former due to Zen's expenses) to produce anything drastically different.
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AMD/ATi, Nvidia, and Intel do not and never would restrict further product development in a highly competitive HPC and PC space for the primary purpose of serving a console manufacturer's desires. No, if GCN as it is continues to live (obviously in the HPC/PC space, not talking about producing GCN products exclusively for console contracts), it is simply because RTG lacked the R&D funds and/or engineering foresight (most likely more of the former due to Zen's expenses) to produce anything drastically different.
we have to cut them some slack
AMD has done a great job with Ryzen, they don't have the resources for 2 things at once
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This kind of rebrand is soo deceptive. Whats the point of rebranding if it falls back the same tier and same price?

Historically Rebranding usually come with dropping the SKU at least 1 tier and a price drop.

8800GTS was 2nd tier = 9800GTX (with GTX260,280 serving higher end)
GTX480 = GTX570
GTX 680 = GTX 770
7970 = 280x (290x being the top)
7870 = 270x

Had this polaris with rebranded into 570 & 560 respectively and comes with a price cut to $199 & 149(for 8GB version). Nobody will make a fuss about it.
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we have to cut them some slack
AMD has done a great job with Ryzen, they don't have the resources for 2 things at once

And that's purely their fault. Once upon a time, ATi were a separate and very competitive company whose lifeblood were GPUs. Due to poor management, AMD (once a larger company than Nvidia) overpaid a fortune to acquire ATi, messed up with Bulldozer, and sucked ATi dry to correct their CPU-side failures. Hence, this mess we see before us now. Their own management is responsible for the current state of both ATi/RTG and AMD's limited resources and I'm personally not cutting them any slack. They ruined ATi.
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I think at this point telling people to wait a few weeks for Vega is useless at this point. They've already turned into electro-zombies hungry for new silicon.

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This kind of rebrand is soo deceptive. Whats the point of rebranding if it falls back the same tier and same price?

Historically Rebranding usually come with dropping the SKU at least 1 tier and a price drop.

8800GTS was 2nd tier = 9800GTX (with GTX260,280 serving higher end)
GTX480 = GTX570
GTX 680 = GTX 770
7970 = 280x (290x being the top)
7870 = 270x

Had this polaris with rebranded into 570 & 560 respectively and comes with a price cut to $199 & 149(for 8GB version). Nobody will make a fuss about it.

Polaris 10 36CUs is their best chip for desktops, given their TRUE best Polaris 10 40CUs are already exclusively for Scopio

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And that's purely their fault. Once upon a time, ATi were a separate and very competitive company whose lifeblood were GPUs. Due to poor management, AMD (once a larger company than Nvidia) overpaid a fortune to acquire ATi, messed up with Bulldozer, and sucked ATi dry to correct their CPU-side failures. Hence, this mess we see before us now. Their own management is responsible for the current state of both ATi/RTG and AMD's limited resources and I'm personally not cutting them any slack. They ruined ATi.

they've ruined ATi yes, but let's put it in the past
right now they're doing their best to give us what we deserved with Ryzen, and their financial ruins is not entirely their fault either, HD5000-7000-R9 290s are very competitive but the average Joes keep buying Nvidia because of the massive mindshare
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I wasn't expecting this. 185w board power for the RX 580 and 150w for the RX 570, notwithstanding the respin, ends up being a brute force approach to gain more performance. I was expecting that the respin and better manufacturing process had allowed them to increase clockspeeds while maintaining the same power consumption or even a little less. In other words, I was expecting the same type of improvement that we saw on 32nm with the transition from Bulldozer to Piledriver.

Also, considering that they initially said (see below) back in the RX 400 series launch that there was a fix for the "high power consumption readings at idle and under partial loads", I hope that they make the new firmware that introduces an intermediary power state to improve media playback and multi-monitor power use available for RX 400 series owners, because as far as I know the fix mentioned below never arrived until now. And part of it is assuming that they actually improve multi-monitor power consumption, which many reviews show seems to not be working properly yet.
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Gaming power consumption is much lower compared to older graphics cards. The same can't be said for Blu-ray playback and multi-monitor setups, though. Asus' Strix RX 460 lags way behind its competition in those disciplines.
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AMD tells us that there's a fix for the high power consumption readings at idle and under partial loads. Unfortunately, it didn’t make it into the latest driver, which we used for these tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-460,4707-5.html
 
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