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Better hope the water cooling community wants this, because the air cooling is going to suck. The Kickstarter goal is 4 times what the NCASE goal was and twice what NCASE actually got. Additionally the estimated retail price is almost 50% higher than the price of an NCASE M1 and the market has quite a few decent M-ITX cases nowadays.

As someone who exclusively does air cooled builds, I would pick a Node 202 over this any day.
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Why post it to the news section? It's clear that the vast majority of OCN readers are just going to poop on the case without doing any background research...

If they did do the research, they would already know what the thermal benchmark results were, and how the cost of the case compared to importing a Dan A4, Sentry, NCase, or S4 Mini etc.

Anyways, Hope it gets funded. The design looks well thought out, and addresses the major limatation that pulled me away from backing a Dan A4 redface.gif
    
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Why post it to the news section? It's clear that the vast majority of OCN readers are just going to poop on the case without doing any background research...

If they did do the research, they would already know what the thermal benchmark results were, and how the cost of the case compared to importing a Dan A4, Sentry, NCase, or S4 Mini etc.

What do you mean? Are you referring to the single 3DMark run where the i7 6700 at modest speeds hit 80 degrees C with the biggest air cooler that fits? Or the fact that the Corsair H60 performed even worse? After just two minutes in 3DMark... Imagine what long gaming sessions / video encoding / stress tests would do.

And the case is significantly more expensive than the NCASE. The estimated retail price is roughly 325 USD. Even accounting for the 25% VAT, it's still 40% more expensive than an NCASE M1 unless you get the early bird discount.
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Looks very boring and uninspiring. Another case with a blank front face.
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Why post it to the news section? It's clear that the vast majority of OCN readers are just going to poop on the case without doing any background research...

If they did do the research, they would already know what the thermal benchmark results were, and how the cost of the case compared to importing a Dan A4, Sentry, NCase, or S4 Mini etc.

Anyways, Hope it gets funded. The design looks well thought out, and addresses the major limatation that pulled me away from backing a Dan A4 redface.gif

Maybe the creators of this thing shouldn't have started by insulting the cases we already have.
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Real nice case drool.gif but I find the Nano S being the perfect size for me thinking.gif
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Why post it to the news section? It's clear that the vast majority of OCN readers are just going to poop on the case without doing any background research...

If they did do the research, they would already know what the thermal benchmark results were, and how the cost of the case compared to importing a Dan A4, Sentry, NCase, or S4 Mini etc.

Anyways, Hope it gets funded. The design looks well thought out, and addresses the major limatation that pulled me away from backing a Dan A4 redface.gif

To give it exposure.

Nothing you can do about people criticizing it. A lot of people fail to understand the audience this case is targeted at. It's a clean minimal design with a tiny footprint. If you want to go buy a $140 steel case, go for it. If you want to go buy a case with rgb dragon breath flames on the front, go for it. If you want save some money and still have a somewhat small case, go buy a ncase, etc.

This case if for people that like the a4-sfx design concept, but want room for watercooling and fans, and that's what the 'tophat' concept does on this case. It's just a more robust version of the A4-SFX.

And for the people complaining about the price, I agree it's a bit expensive, but only because of the shipping. If they can adjust the shipping to not be $70, the case becomes a lot more attractive. Right now, the shipping is killing it. Also, keep in mind, a lot of the cost on this type of case comes from the riser cable it uses for the 2 zone concept (mb on one side, gpu on other). The longer the cable, the more expensive it is. You can see here an example of the type of cable being used.

And here are the tests the creator uploaded:

(click an image, then click 'original' to see it closeup)



    
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What do you mean? Are you referring to the single 3DMark run where the i7 6700 at modest speeds hit 80 degrees C with the biggest air cooler that fits? Or the fact that the Corsair H60 performed even worse? After just two minutes in 3DMark... Imagine what long gaming sessions / video encoding / stress tests would do.

And the case is significantly more expensive than the NCASE. The estimated retail price is roughly 325 USD. Even accounting for the 25% VAT, it's still 40% more expensive than an NCASE M1 unless you get the early bird discount.

Here we go.

Biggest air cooler? No, the mere L9i is not the largest air cooler to fit in the case. The max clearance for CPU Cooling is 65mm, which is more room than what's offered in the DAN A4, and opens up quite a few options for improved CPU cooling on air (if that's what you choose to do).

The first gen H60 from Corsair is hardly the peak of AIO watercooling options available on the market today. The case supports 240mm AIO solutions; how many people do you think can't deal with the performance they try to offer?

The NCase costs $210 (USD) total to ship outside the US, using the cheapest shipping method. This case costs just under $240 (USD) total to ship outside the US assuming no early bird discount. These Loque guys are a brand new start-up who left their full-time employment to try and make this happen; a difference of $30 between a well-established product and team of two (mostly one), and a product in its first batch with a larger team is not much to ask.

Of course, as you have conveniently left out, the cost of this case is cheaper than the DAN A4 was @ ~$245 USD before shipping, and yet the design includes more material and has a higher cost of production than the A4. The NFC Systems S4 Mini is even smaller than the A4, and yet costs $233.50 USD (or a couple of cups of coffee less than the S1) despite going through several revisions and requiring a generally more expensive and specific AC-DC power supply.

I don't have time today to do more number gathering to reply to people making sweeping statements, but in summary, the performance and pricing of this project is in the same ballpark as many other popular products in the SFF scene, and the performance trade-offs that you chose to make in SFF are well-catered for across the entire spectrum of projects currently available to people.

Edit: this post reads a lot more aggressively than I intended haha. Sorry about that smile.gif
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The NCase costs $210 (USD) total to ship outside the US, using the cheapest shipping method. This case costs just under $240 (USD) total to ship outside the US assuming no early bird discount. These Loque guys are a brand new start-up who left their full-time employment to try and make this happen; a difference of $30 between a well-established product and team of two (mostly one), and a product in its first batch with a larger team is not much to ask.

Where are you getting these numbers? The case itself, no shipping, discount or VAT included, is estimated to cost roughly 260 USD, which is 70 USD or 40% more than the NCASE. Then you add shipping. For me, shipping from NCASE costs 35 USD, 10 USD less than LOUQE charge. So as I see it, it's NCASE M1 for 220 USD total vs Ghost S1 for 305 USD.


Umpteenth edit: Also, the max CPU height is 63 mm which, if accurate, disqualifies all the decent low profile coolers like the AXP-100 or the NH-L12. At best, you can fit an AXP-100, but it's not like that's a big heatsink and the fan is a weak slim model.
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