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I still believe coffee lake 6 core will have better IPC rather than better stock clock. 5% is most likely the realistic number we are looking at.


That is because 6 cores chip probably max OCed at less than 4 cores maxed so they most likely have to compensate using IPC enhancement.

I agree with this assessment. It would make a worthy upgrade for us Sandy Bridge holdouts; [H] showed a 20-ish % IPC boost from 2600k to 7700 but people who have switched are reporting real world gaming differences at 1080p and greater resolutions less than half that. I think the IPC boost plus two extra cores will finally be a substantial enough difference over the 2600k to make it the upgrade a lot of us have been waiting on.
    
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There was an option on Intel.
I mean if you tell me that you feel no difference going from Sandy to Kaby, then you are probably lying.

You have to remember your skipping to a new memory standard too.

AMD doing well helps everyone.
    
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I think this hits at the core of it: we're waiting on the next Sandy Bridge. A performance jump that single-handedly won the consumer enthusiast market and made AMD not even want to compete to get it back. I don't know if such a breakthrough is even possible on silicon as we know how to use it; we're nipping at the edges of what we can do with what we have and how we know to use it. I suspect the next Sandy Bridge will be a bigger innovation and mark a shift away from processors as we're currently familiar with them (revolutionary process, material, or both).

Correction: AMD didn't NOT want to compete with SB, they COULDN'T. BD had already been in development for years before SB launched and they certainly realized (probably long before SB launched) that it would not be competitve with Intel due to its radical new design. Problem was that by the time they came to that realization there was nothing they could do but ride it out and make the best out of it. Can't through away years of R&D, especially when you are cash strapped like AMD is/was. And besides, even had they decided to ditch BD immediately they still couldn't have designed anything new to replace it any more quickly than they did Ryzen as they started developing Zen soon after BD was released anyway. Only thing they COULD have done differently would be to do another revision of PII and try to pressure the industry to further optimize for it. But again they weren't going to throw away all the time and money spent on designing and manufacturing BD just because it was disappointing.

BD was one of the biggest disasters in the history of CPU's (if not the biggest) and it single-handedly took AMD completely out of the CPU game for years and years. Thank God they turned to Keller once they realized how big a disaster they had on their hands and in 2017 we finally have a return of AMD as a viable competitor to Intel again after 6 long and monopolistic years. There is a silver lining to the BD debacle however since Intel long ago became totally complacent and left the door wide open for Ryzen to have a chance. Now it will take some time for Intel to actually get in gear and TRY again in the x86 space so hopefully AMD has an aggressive game plan for the next couple of years post-Ryzen, before Intel leverages their massive money and manpower advantage and comes up with the next SB.
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I still believe coffee lake 6 core will have better IPC rather than better stock clock. 5% is most likely the realistic number we are looking at.


That is because 6 cores chip probably max OCed at less than 4 cores maxed so they most likely have to compensate using IPC enhancement.

True but I think 14nm++ will help here. If you look at i7-7700 we already got 4C/8T 3.6-4.2 GHz at 65W, so something like that or better at 95W is possible with hexa-core CFL. thumb.gif
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I still believe coffee lake 6 core will have better IPC rather than better stock clock. 5% is most likely the realistic number we are looking at.


That is because 6 cores chip probably max OCed at less than 4 cores maxed so they most likely have to compensate using IPC enhancement.

Do we even have a source of what core is used in CL? Because from what I gather it seems just brining skylake hexacore to mainstream platform.
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True but I think 14nm++ will help here. If you look at i7-7700 we already got 4C/8T 3.6-4.2 GHz at 65W, so something like that or better at 95W is possible with hexa-core CFL. thumb.gif
http://ark.intel.com/compare/97128,88196
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Do we even have a source of what core is used in CL? Because from what I gather it seems just brining skylake hexacore to mainstream platform.
it probably it is Skylake Architecture, unless they have changed the PAO
  
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Do we even have a source of what core is used in CL? Because from what I gather it seems just brining skylake hexacore to mainstream platform.


optimization is the key word. Could be still based on the improvised Skylake version that comes with more features such as eDRAM etc.



Intel could add in alot of features on the same architecture to improve IPC. One of such example is BW 5775C against 6700K. Where the former edge out in gaming performance despite lower clock speed.


Improving IPC at this point is probably easier than to deal with 4.5-4.8 GHz clock. Dont forget they might still be using pigeon poop that impede good temps with high clock. And with 2 extra cores the amount of heat density would be harder to handle as well.
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optimization is the key word. Could be still based on the improvised Skylake version that comes with more features such as eDRAM etc.



Intel could add in alot of features on the same architecture to improve IPC.
One of such example is BW 5775C against 6700K. Where the former edge out in gaming performance despite lower clock speed.

the 5775c really isnt faster because skylake was limited by the dram latency
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Am I the only one, that likes the fact that Intel use pigeon poop for their TIM, and actually give the option to dellid the IHS from the CPU with relative ease (in comparison to delliding a soldered chip)?

I like to be able to get possibly better thermals than what their indium solder process can achieve, or forgo the IHS altogether and run direct-die mount and achieve better thermals that way.

I was pretty set on Ryzen up until recently, but you need to run chilled water to get it to be stable at above 4.1, and a really uncommon chip to achieve this with realistic volts as well, as opposed to probably delidding a 8700K (Or whatever this 6 core chip will be), slapping on a block in an ordinary custom loop, and overclocking the crap out of it consistently without needing a unicorn fart tier CPU, and getting quite the performance boost out of it.

The only thing that still makes me gravitate towards an AM4 rig, is the upgrade path, where-is these 8th gen Intel CPU's will no doubt be the last generation to drop into socket 1151.
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