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Little lost on what route to take on building a Plex / media server.

Goal is to have a setup that can support 5~10 simultaneous Plex steams. Running Google Fiber, so upload speeds are a null issue.

First thought was to run a dual xeon proc setup, but would it be smarter and more efficient to run a single larger (8+ cores) chip?
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If budget isn't a concern, yea go for a dual xeon setup. what OS were you planning on using? how much space do you want, or plan to have? Need more info please
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Little lost on what route to take on building a Plex / media server.

Goal is to have a setup that can support 5~10 simultaneous Plex steams. Running Google Fiber, so upload speeds are a null issue.

First thought was to run a dual xeon proc setup, but would it be smarter and more efficient to run a single larger (8+ cores) chip?


If budget isn't a concern, yea go for a dual xeon setup. what OS were you planning on using? how much space do you want, or plan to have? Need more info please
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Planned on running Win10 but I'm open to suggestions.
Storage: three 8tb drives in a raid 5 config.
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Planned on running Win10 but I'm open to suggestions.
Storage: three 8tb drives in a raid 5 config.

Probably be just fine.
post #5 of 21
Have a look at FreeNAS which uses ZFS for file storage.

For one, it's free

For two it's a kickass NAS solution, especially if you're considering decent hardware such as your dual Xeons but read the recommendations (https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?resources/hardware-recommendations-guide.12/)

For three you can run plex and a plethora of other apps in a secure, protected environment

For four it uses a software RAID solution via ZFS (so RAID-Z1 is equivalent to RAID-5). You actually get as good if not better performance and the very useful advantage that your disk array is now highly portable to any machine that can run the ZFS file system (which is anything really other than windows)

There's a new version (FreeNas Coral, aka FreeNAS 10) but some massive changes to how it handles addons (moved from BSD jails to Docker containers) - so a lot of old guides will need updating. Things like plex should still just work.

However if you want to play around with it quickly I'd suggest sticking with 9.10 for now.
 
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Have a look at FreeNAS which uses ZFS for file storage.

For one, it's free

For two it's a kickass NAS solution, especially if you're considering decent hardware such as your dual Xeons but read the recommendations (https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?resources/hardware-recommendations-guide.12/)

For three you can run plex and a plethora of other apps in a secure, protected environment

For four it uses a software RAID solution via ZFS (so RAID-Z1 is equivalent to RAID-5). You actually get as good if not better performance and the very useful advantage that your disk array is now highly portable to any machine that can run the ZFS file system (which is anything really other than windows)

There's a new version (FreeNas Coral, aka FreeNAS 10) but some massive changes to how it handles addons (moved from BSD jails to Docker containers) - so a lot of old guides will need updating. Things like plex should still just work.

However if you want to play around with it quickly I'd suggest sticking with 9.10 for now.

I didn't want to suggest FN to him since he is only planning on 3 drives at? It's best with 6 IMO. I currently am running FN myself, 9.10 stable train. It's amazing to say the least. You can get 6 used drives for a decent price on ebay, and grab a 7th or even 8th for close to half the cost of new. Depending on the size of course. You can also feel safe in the fact if a drive does fail, ZFS will take care of you. I have had 2 fail and one give me bad sectors which were repaired. I exchanged the 2 bad drives, popped them in, 1 at a time, FN rebuilt the data that was "lost" but not lost on those drives, and all is good. Just peace of mind really. It's not bad to learn either. Simple install.

Didn't want to hijack, but wanted to throw my 2cents in. I honestly can't see myself running anything other than FN, maybe Unraid if I have a bunch of random size drives laying around. I would suggest checking it out. It's powerful, yet straightforward and fairly simple.
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I didn't want to suggest FN to him since he is only planning on 3 drives at? It's best with 6 IMO. I currently am running FN myself, 9.10 stable train. It's amazing to say the least. You can get 6 used drives for a decent price on ebay, and grab a 7th or even 8th for close to half the cost of new. Depending on the size of course. You can also feel safe in the fact if a drive does fail, ZFS will take care of you. I have had 2 fail and one give me bad sectors which were repaired. I exchanged the 2 bad drives, popped them in, 1 at a time, FN rebuilt the data that was "lost" but not lost on those drives, and all is good. Just peace of mind really. It's not bad to learn either. Simple install.

Didn't want to hijack, but wanted to throw my 2cents in. I honestly can't see myself running anything other than FN, maybe Unraid if I have a bunch of random size drives laying around. I would suggest checking it out. It's powerful, yet straightforward and fairly simple.

I definitely agree with you that 2x redundant drives are better (I run a 6-disk constellation too) but it'll work just fine with 3-disks. It'll only tolerate a single drive failure of course but it's certainly no worse (and for the reasons I listed, IMO, better) than RAID-5 which the OP was planning and you get all the other benefits FN brings.

The main vulnerability to a single drive worth of redundancy is that you're more likely to experience another disk failure while rebuilding your array (plenty of articles on the statistics if OP wants to look) which results in all your data being lost. If it's just movies / tv / music that can be replaced then it's probably not a massive issue other than the inconvenience factor.
 
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thanks for the input on FreeNas.

any input on a ~10 core xeon and micro itx board combo?
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Free NAS is a solid option, if you want to go down that route. Another Option for a NAS OS would be UnRaid, which works a little different. Personally I would probably go UnRaid over FreeNAS, but Both are solid options.



If you want to use windows and want the same type of setup you would get from a UnRaid setup, a Drivepool + Snapraid (or a FlexRaid if you are looking for a easy all in one app setup) would be the way to go. I use Drivepool and Snapraid on my windows 2012r2 data server. I have a 128gb SSD for the Drivepool Write Cache, and a 8TB HDD for my Parity drive for Snapraid. My Overall pool is 20tb, data is not striped but rather on a per HD basis. So Read Speeds are dependent of the drive you are reading from. Snapraid will allow you to have 1+ Parity drives, this way you can lose a drive and still be able to recover it. Drivepool also offers some options in regarding backing up, one of which is having data written to two disks at all times, with the ability to read from two drives at same time. but does cut storage in half if used by everything.

I went with the Snapraid + Drivepool vs Flexraid simply becuase I've heard people have had problems with Flexraid not being as solid as Snapraid in terms of that part of the workload. The Flexraid pooling options are solid. Flexraid is easier to setup though.


If this is a pure NAS Machine, I would look up UnRaid First. thumb.gif
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thanks for the input on FreeNas.

any input on a ~10 core xeon and micro itx board combo?

Just make sure you read the recommended hardware and probably ask over on the freenas forums if you're considering this route - they're pretty knowledgeable over there.

My gut would say that's overkill but equally this is overclock.net not 'makeitjustgoodenough.net' so if you've got the money to burn have at it!

What I would do though is set up a freenas box using whatever hardware you have and see what the limit to your streams are and judge from that how much extra grunt you may need then size your hardware accordingly. For example sharing over SMB (i.e. for windows) is largely a single threaded activity so max cpu speed is more useful over core quantity.

I built my freenas box around one of the intel atom 8-core processors because it's on 24/7. With hindsight I would have built it around a Xeon but it's perfectly adequate so no justification to mess with it.

If you do go down the freenas route bare in mind that if you value your data then you really (and I mean really) should have a large amount of EEC RAM as well as a UPS. It's one of the benefits and major drawbacks to the zfs file system. Basically it's incredibly fault tolerant of data errors because it crc's the data and about a million other things so it caches a lot of the data in RAM before writing it out (hence the large quantity). If an error creeps in here then the corrupted data gets written and crc'd and stored so once this has happened as far as ZFS is concerned it's right hence why you want ECC RAM to catch these events. The final 'feature' is everything to do with the file system is done when it's online, including repairs, checks etc. This means if it gets into a corrupted state such as a power down before it was able to write the cache to the disk then you can lose all your data because it can't be brought online to repair itself and there are no offline zfs tools hence have a battery backup able to let freenas shut down safely in the event of a power cut. The reason for this is zfs was developed by sun microsystems for server farms where you don't want downtime if you need to repair disks or do other admin tasks.

So, yes, it's great and you can literally do anything you could possibly want a server to do but if you need to asses if it's right for you. I wouldn't hesitate recommending it anyone but only if they were prepared to build or buy a proper box otherwise there are better solutions as other posters have mentioned.
 
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