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isnt this compare apples n oranges 8 vs 4 core

ryzen attractive 64gb can't wait for 16core at 128gb?
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http://www.pcmag.com/article/353097/testing-amd-ryzen-and-intel-kaby-lake-for-business-use

The most interesting processor announcement of the year has been AMD's Ryzen desktop processors, based on the company's new Zen architecture. I've been looking forward to AMD getting more competitive in this market for some time, and now that I've had the chance to run some real benchmarks, I've found some interesting differences, with AMD looking great in some tests, but lagging in other areas.

AMD has historically been Intel's main competitor in desktop and laptop chips, but has lagged appreciably over the past few years, so much so that it hasn't really been worth trying to compare the two. But Ryzen is much more competitive—indeed, the top-of-the-line Ryzen 1800X, based on the company's Summit Ridge platform, offers eight cores and 16 threads, with a nominal clock speed of 3.6 GHz and turbo speeds of up to 4.0 GHz. It's manufactured on GlobalFoundries' 14nm process, sells for $499, and AMD has mostly been comparing it to Intel's Core i7-6900K (Broadwell-E), which has a similar number of threads at more than twice the cost.
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When Intel 4 core costs the same as AMD 8 core, it is a good comparison from consumer point of view, especially for business. On the other hand their testing is just typical reviewer nonsense benchmarks for the most part and not real world usage.
Whether or not reviewers actually admit that a $329 CPU performs almost the same as $1049 CPU from competition is another thing.
7700K for business use is pointless, you would probably buy the cheapest i7 4C/8T or it's Xeon equivalent, used to be a 1230, what naming does it have today who knows Intel made a complete mess of it and disabled the use of Xeons on consumer boards effectively killing their use for many.
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When Intel 4 core costs the same as AMD 8 core, it is a good comparison from consumer point of view, especially for business. On the other hand their testing is just typical reviewer nonsense benchmarks for the most part and not real world usage.
Whether or not reviewers actually admit that a $329 CPU performs almost the same as $1049 CPU from competition is another thing.
7700K for business use is pointless, you would probably buy the cheapest i7 4C/8T or it's Xeon equivalent, used to be a 1230, what naming does it have today who knows Intel made a complete mess of it and disabled the use of Xeons on consumer boards effectively killing their use for many.

My thoughts exactly. The R7 1700 is AMD's current ace, in that it provides a chip that is competitive with an Intel chip costing $1000+. AMD has always provided better bang for your buck, and Ryzen is not different.
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i check the reviews ryzen it not performing at 100% or better against an intel
but for the price its attractive
but results look little weird
post #5 of 15
I don't agree with their Excel result.

Techspot , computerbase, and overclockersclub ran Black Scholes and Monte Carlo and got a better result on Ryzen.

The Matlab result should be inline with Excel result.


The same goes for compiling code , unless all the code was serial


They key here may be the memory chosen:
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All tests were run in systems with top-end MSI Xpower Gaming motherboards, 16 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR4 memory, a 240 GB Kingston Digital SSD V300 SATA 3 SSD, and an eVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 graphics board.)

Edited by AlphaC - 4/20/17 at 8:57pm
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What nonsensical testing. This is like a gaming benchmark for business and it's useless. Most offices will not use the 7700K, they will most likely use the G4560 as it's cheap and it works.

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What nonsensical testing. This is like a gaming benchmark for business and it's useless. Most offices will not use the 7700K, they will most likely use the G4560 as it's cheap and it works.
^^This

They are testing $300+ CPUs with Excel!!??? Nowadays people use it on their smartphones..lol
Might as well test calculator & wordpad.
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The group I work for has 10 000 employees in Scandinavia and 300 people in Luxembourg. Outside of the IT departments in each country, we are all using this. With the pursuit to drive costs down both electricity and IT parts wise, this solution has been implemented. I will concede the fact that we have Xeon based servers worth hundreds of thousands just in Luxembourg. I will not mention the amount of servers we have in Scandinavia and the majority are intel based.
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^^This

They are testing $300+ CPUs with Excel!!??? Nowadays people use it on their smartphones..lol
Might as well test calculator & wordpad.

To be frank, I would not mind having a 300 dollar CPU for excel. I would also love the 64 bit version and 16 GB of RAM at work. I am working with these type of excel sheets on a daily basis and it is not easy when I have to wait for it to constantly calculate. I am reconciling thousands of lines and the biggest file that pretty much takes 2 minutes to open is a 44k line report. The VM machines we have are slow and when the doo doo hits the fan, I end up waiting for excel to stop choking. You can imagine that I am constantly finding ways to optimise my formulae but IF, AND, OR, can take you so far and you have to chain IFS over 9000!
Code:
=IF(O2="xxx",IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)-U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2,IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)+U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2)
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=IFERROR(VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxxxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10))&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10))&K10),'Working xxxx'!C:C,1,0),VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10),'xxxx'!C:C,1,0))

Excel can be used for more than graphs and doing SUM(xxx). Those you can do on your phone, however the real work needs power. This is in conflict with the race to drive costs down.
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R7-1600X with faster ram is a much better deal than R7-1700 with inferior ram.

and to be frank, office PCs don't use high end CPUs, they're all about costs.
Edited by epic1337 - 4/21/17 at 3:16am
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The group I work for has 10 000 employees in Scandinavia and 300 people in Luxembourg. Outside of the IT departments in each country, we are all using this. With the pursuit to drive costs down both electricity and IT parts wise, this solution has been implemented. I will concede the fact that we have Xeon based servers worth hundreds of thousands just in Luxembourg. I will not mention the amount of servers we have in Scandinavia and the majority are intel based.
To be frank, I would not mind having a 300 dollar CPU for excel. I would also love the 64 bit version and 16 GB of RAM at work. I am working with these type of excel sheets on a daily basis and it is not easy when I have to wait for it to constantly calculate. I am reconciling thousands of lines and the biggest file that pretty much takes 2 minutes to open is a 44k line report. The VM machines we have are slow and when the doo doo hits the fan, I end up waiting for excel to stop choking. You can imagine that I am constantly finding ways to optimise my formulae but IF, AND, OR, can take you so far and you have to chain IFS over 9000!
Code:
=IF(O2="xxx",IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)-U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2,IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)+U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2)
Code:
=IFERROR(VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxxxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10))&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10))&K10),'Working xxxx'!C:C,1,0),VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10),'xxxx'!C:C,1,0))

Excel can be used for more than graphs and doing SUM(xxx). Those you can do on your phone, however the real work needs power. This is in conflict with the race to drive costs down.
Yes, and I would too tongue.gif But if you were starting your own company & have a dozen or more guys working under you using MS Office, you wouldn't spend 300$ on just the CPU(s),
Everybody already knows that companies buy the cheapest system that can get the work done without too much hassle.


This review is like using a bulldozer to rake leaves, does not matter how big the pile is biggrin.gif
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