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What nonsensical testing. This is like a gaming benchmark for business and it's useless. Most offices will not use the 7700K, they will most likely use the G4560 as it's cheap and it works.

Most offices won't be using an 1800X either. However, for those that do a comparison with the 7700K is useful. A comparison with the G4560 would be nonsensical, as it's in a totally different price and performance category.
    
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The group I work for has 10 000 employees in Scandinavia and 300 people in Luxembourg. Outside of the IT departments in each country, we are all using this.

They must be pretty slow, even for office work.
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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

The group I work for has 10 000 employees in Scandinavia and 300 people in Luxembourg. Outside of the IT departments in each country, we are all using this. With the pursuit to drive costs down both electricity and IT parts wise, this solution has been implemented. I will concede the fact that we have Xeon based servers worth hundreds of thousands just in Luxembourg. I will not mention the amount of servers we have in Scandinavia and the majority are intel based.
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^^This

They are testing $300+ CPUs with Excel!!??? Nowadays people use it on their smartphones..lol
Might as well test calculator & wordpad.

To be frank, I would not mind having a 300 dollar CPU for excel. I would also love the 64 bit version and 16 GB of RAM at work. I am working with these type of excel sheets on a daily basis and it is not easy when I have to wait for it to constantly calculate. I am reconciling thousands of lines and the biggest file that pretty much takes 2 minutes to open is a 44k line report. The VM machines we have are slow and when the doo doo hits the fan, I end up waiting for excel to stop choking. You can imagine that I am constantly finding ways to optimise my formulae but IF, AND, OR, can take you so far and you have to chain IFS over 9000!
Code:
=IF(O2="xxx",IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)-U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2,IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)+U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2)
Code:
=IFERROR(VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxxxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10))&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10))&K10),'Working xxxx'!C:C,1,0),VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10),'xxxx'!C:C,1,0))

Excel can be used for more than graphs and doing SUM(xxx). Those you can do on your phone, however the real work needs power. This is in conflict with the race to drive costs down.

You are doing specialised work, using cloud computing and the limits are obvious to see. If you'd had that G4560 you would probably have been better off unless you have lots of very fast cores at your disposal.

 

A friend of mine has been assigned a node on the Tianhe-2 in Guangzhou and he says it's such a disaster that they have had to buy their own servers so cloud computing is and will be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by Warrax22 View Post

They must be pretty slow, even for office work.

they're pretty decent actually, its just like using some mid-tier ($200~$300) smartphones or atom (baytrail or cherrytrail) based tablets.
it entirely depends on the server's capacity and proximity though, if it uses the internet as the communication point then the latency can kill it's usability.
Edited by epic1337 - 4/21/17 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

The group I work for has 10 000 employees in Scandinavia and 300 people in Luxembourg. Outside of the IT departments in each country, we are all using this. With the pursuit to drive costs down both electricity and IT parts wise, this solution has been implemented. I will concede the fact that we have Xeon based servers worth hundreds of thousands just in Luxembourg. I will not mention the amount of servers we have in Scandinavia and the majority are intel based.
To be frank, I would not mind having a 300 dollar CPU for excel. I would also love the 64 bit version and 16 GB of RAM at work. I am working with these type of excel sheets on a daily basis and it is not easy when I have to wait for it to constantly calculate. I am reconciling thousands of lines and the biggest file that pretty much takes 2 minutes to open is a 44k line report. The VM machines we have are slow and when the doo doo hits the fan, I end up waiting for excel to stop choking. You can imagine that I am constantly finding ways to optimise my formulae but IF, AND, OR, can take you so far and you have to chain IFS over 9000!
Code:
=IF(O2="xxx",IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)-U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2,IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,9,3),MID(I2,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V2)*R2)+U2,10) &IF(LEFT(I2,3)="BUY",MID(I2,5,3),MID(I2,6,3))&ABS(V2)&K2)
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=IFERROR(VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxxxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10))&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&(MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10))&K10),'Working xxxx'!C:C,1,0),VLOOKUP(IF(O10="xxx",IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)-U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10,IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,9,3),MID(I10,10,3))&MROUND((ABS(V10)*R10)+U10,10) &IF(LEFT(I10,3)="BUY",MID(I10,5,3),MID(I10,6,3))&ABS(V10)&K10),'xxxx'!C:C,1,0))

Excel can be used for more than graphs and doing SUM(xxx). Those you can do on your phone, however the real work needs power. This is in conflict with the race to drive costs down.

Your problem is you're building a business application in excel. You should consider using a more modern approach, like COBOL
/s
But seriously, that's business rule programming, and not what excel was made for...
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Yes, and I would too tongue.gif But if you were starting your own company & have a dozen or more guys working under you using MS Office, you wouldn't spend 300$ on just the CPU(s),
Everybody already knows that companies buy the cheapest system that can get the work done without too much hassle.

This review is like using a bulldozer to rake leaves, does not matter how big the pile is biggrin.gif
My startup just buys another Thinkpad X220 or T420 when a new employee joins, from old enterprise stock being replaced. Most of them have lived their entire lives in a dock running office applications at most, and run effectively like brand new.
And we get them for around $250 for the entire machine, often including SSD and docking station.
Also, we're a software company, so performance is a demand.
I can't imagine who, outside of software departments running massive enterprise software stacks or media creators, would ever NEED a desktop i7 or R7.
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