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I am thoroughly disappointed with my MSI bios on the B350M gaming pro, seem to have a very limited range of options to get anything to work. On the CPU side of things I am bound to a max of 1.400 vcore, and there is no option to alter the SOC voltage, or any of the other voltages as mentioned with the exception of the northbridge (chipset) and the DRAM voltages. AXMP does not work at the rated DDR4 3000 speed of the LPX, and nor can I get above 2667 manually regardless of what settings I have changed. Even after that lovely video thats been posted around about overclocking using the MSI board as an example. The mods on the forum just use "overclocking is not guaranteed" as the reasoning behind all of this. My only hope seems to be tied to the microcode updates coming.
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I am thoroughly disappointed with my MSI bios on the B350M gaming pro, seem to have a very limited range of options to get anything to work. On the CPU side of things I am bound to a max of 1.400 vcore, and there is no option to alter the SOC voltage, or any of the other voltages as mentioned with the exception of the northbridge (chipset) and the DRAM voltages. AXMP does not work at the rated DDR4 3000 speed of the LPX, and nor can I get above 2667 manually regardless of what settings I have changed. Even after that lovely video thats been posted around about overclocking using the MSI board as an example. The mods on the forum just use "overclocking is not guaranteed" as the reasoning behind all of this. My only hope seems to be tied to the microcode updates coming.

I can agree with most of that...even the X370 board I have doesn't have a lot of options that I thought it would. Yes, I can adjust the Core/Soc/DRAM voltages....the memory is just a royal PITA. What really is eating me though, is the slow boot times....my god, anywhere from 20-30 seconds in the bios. That's crazy. I'm not sure, but it seems like either the MB/CPU is slow at loading up anything that has to do with monitoring. CPU-Z takes 10-15 seconds sometimes, and HWiNFO 64 about the same, unless I open it AS SOON AS THE DESKTOP appears.

I'm not unhappy with the performance overall, and I knew going in there were issues, but it's starting to get a little old. Quick.

Anyway, rant over, if I leave the CPU@3.7 with stock voltage, and leave the RAM alone is does seem to get a bit better when loading everything. It was around 35-40 seconds, and a good boot being 26. It now is hovering around 20. So I guess baby steps! lmao
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when I decided to go with ryzen, gigabyte seemed to have less issues with the r7 launch.
so I went that route.
cant say I regret that as its 4 days running now without a hitch.
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I can agree with most of that...even the X370 board I have doesn't have a lot of options that I thought it would. Yes, I can adjust the Core/Soc/DRAM voltages....the memory is just a royal PITA. What really is eating me though, is the slow boot times....my god, anywhere from 20-30 seconds in the bios. That's crazy. I'm not sure, but it seems like either the MB/CPU is slow at loading up anything that has to do with monitoring. CPU-Z takes 10-15 seconds sometimes, and HWiNFO 64 about the same, unless I open it AS SOON AS THE DESKTOP appears.

I'm not unhappy with the performance overall, and I knew going in there were issues, but it's starting to get a little old. Quick.

Anyway, rant over, if I leave the CPU@3.7 with stock voltage, and leave the RAM alone is does seem to get a bit better when loading everything. It was around 35-40 seconds, and a good boot being 26. It now is hovering around 20. So I guess baby steps! lmao

This is exactly the kinda stuff I saw that I thought maybe I was just going crazy. My previous rig was a 860K with a MSI A88XM Gaming motherboard, and I had the ryzen build swapped in to my desktop in about 3 hours, and immediately I was like, what is going on with these long load times. It was a significantly noticeable difference exactly as you described, so at least I know its not just me or my hardware. MSI's support on their forums is down right atrocious, and they just seem to pass off the blame as user error or blame AMD for the problems in every single thread I have seen. They advertise these boards for overclocking and then when there is an issue directly related, nothing is guaranteed and nothing is supported. All of it is "at your own risk" and they immediately assume no responsibility for it. My only hope is that the engineers get this figured out soon because if I don't have my memory running at at least 2933 in the next 3 months, ill wont be replacing the memory, ill be replacing the board.
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This is exactly the kinda stuff I saw that I thought maybe I was just going crazy. My previous rig was a 860K with a MSI A88XM Gaming motherboard, and I had the ryzen build swapped in to my desktop in about 3 hours, and immediately I was like, what is going on with these long load times. It was a significantly noticeable difference exactly as you described, so at least I know its not just me or my hardware. MSI's support on their forums is down right atrocious, and they just seem to pass off the blame as user error or blame AMD for the problems in every single thread I have seen. They advertise these boards for overclocking and then when there is an issue directly related, nothing is guaranteed and nothing is supported. All of it is "at your own risk" and they immediately assume no responsibility for it. My only hope is that the engineers get this figured out soon because if I don't have my memory running at at least 2933 in the next 3 months, ill wont be replacing the memory, ill be replacing the board.

It's not just you...I feel ya man...lol

I'm going to mess with it later tonight and see if I can't get it to at least 2933. I did the day before yesterday....just by enabling AXMP.

I don't visit the MSI forums....hogwash. I emailed MSI directly and they sent me beta bios. I think I'm on it now...not sure because I did flash the "official" one on there last night. I will say that their direct support was pretty nice...and they seemed to be trying to help.

Well...back to cutting grass....looks like rain is coming in.

I'll report back later if I have any luck. thumb.gif
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2.52 was the beta bios I tried, 2.50 was the latest official release I believe for my board. Saw no difference on either of them. You would think with how AXMP is supposed to work it would be simple. lol
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I'm guessing your Bios is in better shape than MSI. I was able to get to 2933...now I can't.






It set everything back to 2133 after failing to boot 7 times...lol

You can see on the second screenshot where it saves that last booted timings. After it booted with the other timings...those were gone...the 14-14-14-14-34 and the 16-18-18-18-36 timings were in there on the left. I changed the frequency to 2933, failed again.

I just set everything back to the settings I've been using, 2666@14-14-14-14-36.

Wait for the next bios I guess..... mad.gif

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I am thoroughly disappointed with my MSI bios on the B350M gaming pro, seem to have a very limited range of options to get anything to work. On the CPU side of things I am bound to a max of 1.400 vcore, and there is no option to alter the SOC voltage, or any of the other voltages as mentioned with the exception of the northbridge (chipset) and the DRAM voltages. AXMP does not work at the rated DDR4 3000 speed of the LPX, and nor can I get above 2667 manually regardless of what settings I have changed. Even after that lovely video thats been posted around about overclocking using the MSI board as an example. The mods on the forum just use "overclocking is not guaranteed" as the reasoning behind all of this. My only hope seems to be tied to the microcode updates coming.

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I can agree with most of that...even the X370 board I have doesn't have a lot of options that I thought it would. Yes, I can adjust the Core/Soc/DRAM voltages....the memory is just a royal PITA. What really is eating me though, is the slow boot times....my god, anywhere from 20-30 seconds in the bios. That's crazy. I'm not sure, but it seems like either the MB/CPU is slow at loading up anything that has to do with monitoring. CPU-Z takes 10-15 seconds sometimes, and HWiNFO 64 about the same, unless I open it AS SOON AS THE DESKTOP appears.

I'm not unhappy with the performance overall, and I knew going in there were issues, but it's starting to get a little old. Quick.

Anyway, rant over, if I leave the CPU@3.7 with stock voltage, and leave the RAM alone is does seem to get a bit better when loading everything. It was around 35-40 seconds, and a good boot being 26. It now is hovering around 20. So I guess baby steps! lmao


I have msi B350m pro and LPX 3200 ram.

I recommend setting voltages to 1.35 and 16 18 18 18 36 timings for 2933 speed. I cannot reach 3200.

Today there's a new bios which I will try laterz.
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I have msi B350m pro and LPX 3200 ram.

I recommend setting voltages to 1.35 and 16 18 18 18 36 timings for 2933 speed. I cannot reach 3200.

Today there's a new bios which I will try laterz.

I always have mine set to the rated box voltage regardless of what speed its running at, but using any combination of timings I cannot get it to POST on 2933 or 3200, even using the "try it!" feature, or manually setting them.
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Yeppers....no luck here either.

Here are three runs, two were at the same speed, one has different timings:



Run 1 2400mhz 16-18-18-18-36
Run 2 2667mhz 16-18-18-18-36
Run 3 2667mhz 14-14-14-14-34

For reference my i7-4770 with 1866 scored around 2900+ overall. I don't have any single runs on just the memory. It was Kingston Predator(of course it was CL9 DDR3).

EDIT: Added the speed/timings.

EDIT II: Adia64 still shows the latency at +80ns:



NOTE: I am on the Beta bios that MSI gave me 1.23.
Edited by Hequaqua - 4/28/17 at 1:37pm
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I thought that this was interesting: http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-overclocked-benchmark-results-4-1ghz_194024
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