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I mean from safe boot 2133, change to 2400, reboot, change to 2666 and reboot etc etc sneak up on it

I tried sneaking up on it....as soon as I got to 2933....same thing...boot, click, boot, click, boot, click....back to 2133.

MSI will fix it one of these days..... doh.gif

oh well. worth a try

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Update from me.

@doom26464: I have a 16GB Corsair LPX kit (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) and I have had zero issues getting 3200MHz. I've been manually setting the multiplier and timings (16-18-18-18-36), set RAM voltage to 1.35V. I've not been using XMP. I have a Gigabyte K7 motherboard.

Looks like my 1600X 4GHz OC would be stable somewhere between 1.4V and 1.43V, haven't really narrowed it down better than that. Mainly I've been trying to see how low I could get Vcore with a 3.9-3.95 OC. I passed 30 min of P95 custom (thanks Mega Man and Hequaqua) at 3.95 @ ~1.38V. I need to run a longer tests, but life keeps getting in the way.

The pstate and volt / clock throttling thing just flat out does not work with my Giga K7 and F3 bios. I have the power profiles (windows and Ryzen) set up, but as soon as I touch the multiplier, the processor state options within Win / Ryz power plans disappear, Vcore is stuck, clock is stuck. I've tried numerous bios settings, read multiple guides, followed various tips and advice - nada. My guess is this feature is disabled until a future bios revision (hopefully).


It isn't everyone I have heard from has had successes. But you can't oc via multi at all.

Pstates only and you have to enter it in hex code I heard...
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when I decided to go with ryzen, gigabyte seemed to have less issues with the r7 launch.
so I went that route.
cant say I regret that as its 4 days running now without a hitch.
as has BOTH of my msi ryzen builds
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I can agree with most of that...even the X370 board I have doesn't have a lot of options that I thought it would. Yes, I can adjust the Core/Soc/DRAM voltages....the memory is just a royal PITA. What really is eating me though, is the slow boot times....my god, anywhere from 20-30 seconds in the bios. That's crazy. I'm not sure, but it seems like either the MB/CPU is slow at loading up anything that has to do with monitoring. CPU-Z takes 10-15 seconds sometimes, and HWiNFO 64 about the same, unless I open it AS SOON AS THE DESKTOP appears.

I'm not unhappy with the performance overall, and I knew going in there were issues, but it's starting to get a little old. Quick.

Anyway, rant over, if I leave the CPU@3.7 with stock voltage, and leave the RAM alone is does seem to get a bit better when loading everything. It was around 35-40 seconds, and a good boot being 26. It now is hovering around 20. So I guess baby steps! lmao

This is exactly the kinda stuff I saw that I thought maybe I was just going crazy. My previous rig was a 860K with a MSI A88XM Gaming motherboard, and I had the ryzen build swapped in to my desktop in about 3 hours, and immediately I was like, what is going on with these long load times. It was a significantly noticeable difference exactly as you described, so at least I know its not just me or my hardware. MSI's support on their forums is down right atrocious, and they just seem to pass off the blame as user error or blame AMD for the problems in every single thread I have seen. They advertise these boards for overclocking and then when there is an issue directly related, nothing is guaranteed and nothing is supported. All of it is "at your own risk" and they immediately assume no responsibility for it. My only hope is that the engineers get this figured out soon because if I don't have my memory running at at least 2933 in the next 3 months, ill wont be replacing the memory, ill be replacing the board.

first i remember when it took minutes too boot up, i think this crying about boot times is hilarious ....

second you guys do know the msi forums have literally NO msi employees on it, right ?

third nothing in ocing is not gaurenteed . you can get a chip that wont run anything but stock, and who 2400 ram iirc is max supported .....
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It isn't everyone I have heard from has had successes. But you can't oc via multi at all.

Pstates only and you have to enter it in hex code I heard...
as has BOTH of my msi ryzen builds
first i remember when it took minutes too boot up, i think this crying about boot times is hilarious ....

second you guys do know the msi forums have literally NO msi employees on it, right ?

third nothing in ocing is not gaurenteed . you can get a chip that wont run anything but stock, and who 2400 ram iirc is max supported .....

As I pointed out to the MSI forum mod who pissed and moaned about this being AMD's fault, this really had nothing to do with overclocking, it had to do with memory booting at its rated speed. But since they seem to think anything over 2400 to be considered "overclocking" because its not recommended by AMD, they won't provide support for any questions related to it. Other board manufacturers have seemingly already worked out the bugs, so what is the issue and why can't we get an answer on it?

Secondly, we are not crying about boot times, the boot times are long and they shouldn't be, end of story. This isn't 1992 when you could watch a system go through the boot process and brew a cup of coffee at the same time. I don't understand this attitude from AMD fanbois like yourself that this is all somehow "ok". The lowered expectations that you guys have towards an AMD product is sad really. You wouldn't go buy a 50,000 dollar car and EXPECT to have issues with it upon its release until the manufacturer has "worked out the bugs" with it, so why should this be any different? This is not just a 200 dollar CPU, this is a multi billion dollar product launch on the part of a international corporation, and to not have your **** together like this, along with your board partners is pathetic really. And that's coming from someone who has owned and purchased AMD products back into the 1990s and has always been there to support the company.
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I mean from safe boot 2133, change to 2400, reboot, change to 2666 and reboot etc etc sneak up on it

Is sneaking up the speed really an effective tactic here, because I would laugh my ass off if that was the case. I tried playing around with the 2.52 bios earlier and I got to a point where 2933 put some skewed colors at the very top of my monitor but that was about it, had to reset and then it cleared the CMOS automatically. Normally I wouldnt do the auto CMOS clear in this instance but the CMOS jumper is below the video card, so I gotta pull the card to actually use that jumper.
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It isn't everyone I have heard from has had successes. But you can't oc via multi at all.

Pstates only and you have to enter it in hex code I heard...
as has BOTH of my msi ryzen builds
first i remember when it took minutes too boot up, i think this crying about boot times is hilarious ....

second you guys do know the msi forums have literally NO msi employees on it, right ?

third nothing in ocing is not gaurenteed . you can get a chip that wont run anything but stock, and who 2400 ram iirc is max supported .....

As I pointed out to the MSI forum mod who pissed and moaned about this being AMD's fault, this really had nothing to do with overclocking, it had to do with memory booting at its rated speed. But since they seem to think anything over 2400 to be considered "overclocking" because its not recommended by AMD, they won't provide support for any questions related to it. Other board manufacturers have seemingly already worked out the bugs, so what is the issue and why can't we get an answer on it?

Secondly, we are not crying about boot times, the boot times are long and they shouldn't be, end of story. This isn't 1992 when you could watch a system go through the boot process and brew a cup of coffee at the same time. I don't understand this attitude from AMD fanbois like yourself that this is all somehow "ok". The lowered expectations that you guys have towards an AMD product is sad really. You wouldn't go buy a 50,000 dollar car and EXPECT to have issues with it upon its release until the manufacturer has "worked out the bugs" with it, so why should this be any different? This is not just a 200 dollar CPU, this is a multi billion dollar product launch on the part of a international corporation, and to not have your **** together like this, along with your board partners is pathetic really. And that's coming from someone who has owned and purchased AMD products back into the 1990s and has always been there to support the company.

1 i am a fan boi but i am not blind

2 ANYTHING over JEDEC speeds IS overclocking on ram. even on intel. - even on intel( twice for emphasis ) . anything over 2400 is overclocking. when intel first released ddr 4 CPUs they too had issues getting higher speeds. and this is on an ESTABLISHED architecture --- this is not fanboi-ism, its realism. cars are not new tech so no i would expect them to have few issues ( fyi i have 2 that cost more .... and both have had recalls.... btw ever car i know of, every has had recalls. welcome to reality ) that said. AMD guarantees 2400 2 dimm and 4 dimm 2133 ( iirc really i have not had the time to keep up with OEM standards on this generation with my daughter -- that said ) it has yet to hold me back on 2 different motherboards with Hynix, since release- and as chew* has proved, it was not luck, its skill and patience........... even when i could only get 2933 ..

3 yes, you are not crying you are whining and moaning about 30 seconds. frankly i am still in disbelief anyone actually shuts off their pf, or puts it to sleep--- do you have an ssd ? do you know what trim does and how it works ? sorry i really dont care you have enough time to take a sip from your drink to boot....
if you did not want problems. you should not of bought a brand new architecture, period. NONE that i know of have been hitch free in the recent history of pcs...... feel free to prove me wrong ( x 86/64 )

the sad part, is 99% of your issues are mobo related and not amd..... but of course i am the fanboi for blaming the correct person ....... kookoo.gif
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I mean from safe boot 2133, change to 2400, reboot, change to 2666 and reboot etc etc sneak up on it

Is sneaking up the speed really an effective tactic here, because I would laugh my ass off if that was the case. I tried playing around with the 2.52 bios earlier and I got to a point where 2933 put some skewed colors at the very top of my monitor but that was about it, had to reset and then it cleared the CMOS automatically. Normally I wouldnt do the auto CMOS clear in this instance but the CMOS jumper is below the video card, so I gotta pull the card to actually use that jumper.

yes it has been shown to help with ryzen, even people like chew and the stilt have said so
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It isn't everyone I have heard from has had successes. But you can't oc via multi at all.

Pstates only and you have to enter it in hex code I heard...
Yeah, I've read the same guide for the Ausus CH6, but I don't have that board. The Giga K7 has no pstate options in bios, at all. Hence, I cannot achieve my desired goal.

However, I have been able to get a stable hour of P95 custom at 3.9GHz, leaving the Vcore at AUTO. When left to AUTO, Vcore throttles way down during periods of low activity. The CPU freq is stuck at 3.9 at all times, however. But that's not bad overall. I tried 3.95 with Vcore = AUTO, not quite stable. So I'm content to wait and see if something changes in the future.
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I mean from safe boot 2133, change to 2400, reboot, change to 2666 and reboot etc etc sneak up on it

Is sneaking up the speed really an effective tactic here, because I would laugh my ass off if that was the case. I tried playing around with the 2.52 bios earlier and I got to a point where 2933 put some skewed colors at the very top of my monitor but that was about it, had to reset and then it cleared the CMOS automatically. Normally I wouldnt do the auto CMOS clear in this instance but the CMOS jumper is below the video card, so I gotta pull the card to actually use that jumper.

 

That is what the ram overclocking guys are recommending works on a CH6 board. One of the guys is currently getting 3200 c14-13-13-13-34-1T stable with a 62.5ns memory latency 27/7 stable with a 100Mhz Refclk. so it is possible with some B-Die ram. Take a look in the official R7 thread for recent posts by Chew* and gupsterg

 

You can also see Gupstergs timings here http://www.overclock.net/t/1628751/official-amd-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread/40_20#post_26053552


Edited by gtbtk - 4/29/17 at 2:22am
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No issue with boot times for me and I run 2933mhz oc ram also and a 3.8ghz oc.
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post #169 of 772
The boot times are probably MB related.

It still doesn't change that fact that I spend MY money. If I want to complain, that's my right. Whether it be about boot times, memory speeds, or how the button on my mouse clicks....lol

Let's face it, this was a botched launch, and I don't think anyone is surprised. It does seem like some MB mfgs. have dealt with it better than others.(By botched, I really mean the MB mfgs. didn't appear to have a lot of time with this before release)

For the average consumer, to go to say the MSI website, read the memory that is compatible then buy, only to see these issues are the ones that are hurt the most. Me....I don't really care, I expected some of these.

Who should care is AMD. Word of mouth is a great way to help/hurt mfgs.

NOTE: Don't anyone take this the wrong way....but with these memory issues, I feel like I'm dealing with Ubisoft....jump through this hoop, no we meant this hoop, oh, sorry, we REALLY meant this hoop! biggrin.gif

Anyway, at the end of the day.....I'm still pretty happy overall. Could things be better, sure. Will they get better, sure. Like everyone is saying, this is new uarch, and problems/issues are expected. To be honest, I wasn't looking for the R5 chips to even release this soon. So, I'm willing to play along. thumb.gif
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From my research the long boot times are related to the microcode AMD released, and has since improved boot times with 1.0.0.4a but still not enough. I can tell you that boot times were longer on the initial bios revision my board came with and got better with the updated code, so my only hope is that it improves with the next couple releases.
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