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It is certainly possible.

RX 580: 2304 stream processors @ 1400MHz +
Vega: 4096 stream processors
78% more cores

GTX 1080Ti is 80 % faster than RX 580.

Since Vega is a brand new architecture from the ground up, it will undoubtly offer more performance per SP than Polaris and RX 580. And HBM2 will offer some performance gains over 256bit GDDR5 memory bus Polaris run.

It will come down to if AMD is able to run almost twice as many SP as Polaris on the same high clock, or if they have to go down in clocks due to number of reasons.
In addition what Vega offer in IPC over Polaris.

Maxwell had around 25-30% IPC gain over Kepler. Pascal had very tiny IPC gain over Maxwell. Everything about Pascal have been power efficiency refinements and getting faster GPU through bigger dies.

It depends on what route AMD take. Take Ryzen for example. AMD deisgned the 8-cores to have 95W TDP design vs Intels 145W 4-core CPUs. So here AMD chose the less power route. Wether this was intentional or forced because 14nm LPP can only do this high clocks we will never know.

Basically up to Fermi Nvidia had 1 GPU architecture configuration. Even Kepler had idle cores only for FP64. With Maxwell Nvidia could afford to make both a FP64 and FP32 GPU. Noth they have GP100 for FP64 and GP102 for FP32. Doing so their cards dont have do be good at both things.
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*Single player games

Unfortunately many online mp focused games are ghost towns after a few years unless they were truly something special.

Most become dull after 2-3 months.
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Just lol. Glad I sent my Xp back and stepped away from PC gaming for good. What a joke this industry has become with milking its customers.

LOL lachen.gif

Same here man Xbox One FTW...

Until the PC gaming market gets back on track.

Hardware sucks or overprices, games have no players online, bugs... PC gaming has become a huge disgrace.
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Exactly this. Titan prices wouldn't be what they are now if people didn't keep shelling out the money for them.
LOL... thumb.gif


I would love Titan Xp performance, but at $1200... lol nope! My 1070 manages to give acceptable frame rates at 4K with tweaked settings. That makes much more sense to me than paying $1200 so I can max at every settings (some of which may or may not even make that much of a visual difference!). I have no issue waiting 6-12 months for that level of performance for 1/3 of the price.

Absolutely agreed. I unfortunately played a small role in the current state of Titan milking by being one of those who bought not only one but two of the very original Titans in 2013. You have to remember that coming from Fermi we were all initially disappointed when the 680 launched with what appeared to be simply a small die GTX 460 style GPU with no big-die chip anywhere to be seen so when Nvidia finally came out with the true 580 replacement (in our eyes anyway) in 2013 with GK110 we were all frothing at the mouth with anticipation. Considering how much power the pipsqueak GK104 had (at the time) in the legendary 680 Lightning I was hyped beyond all reason for the monster Kepler chip and absolutely had to have them and damn the cost! People were speculating even at the time that this was setting a very bad precedent for Nvidia's future release strategy but I didn't care about any of that, I wanted those Titans dammit! Now we are 4 years later and things have gone from bad to much worse with Titan since they doubled down on pricing and went even beyond the customary Titan price of $1000 with Pascal (and now have gone right for milking those same customers a second time to get the "new" ultimate Titan with the Xp for another $1200). It turns out that Fermi was the last time that you could get the proper big-die flagship card up front for around $500 and nowadays everybody is more than happy to fork over that same money for a small 460-esque chip masquerading as the supposed flagship x80 card on release and if you object then you are just "poor and jealous"! And it all started back in Feb 2013 with the very first Titan (cards that I still have to this day because I both didn't need to upgrade anymore and because I wanted to try to get as much usage out of my initial $2000 investment as possible). Ah well, you can't really blame Nvidia from a business stand point since more than enough people every generation are more than willing to fork over more and more money for those coveted Titans, just as I did over 4 years ago. I blame myself and all of us original Titan owners more than anybody else for Nvidia's current release strategy (but it was fun times back then in the old Titan Club I must admit)...
post #134 of 198
Nice tactic by Novidio, if Vega miraculously is faster than TXp by 10-15% oc vs oc, then their fans will just wait for this (same fans ENTHUSIASTS who can't even wait a minute after announcement of TXp to order it for 10% improvement in performance). and repeat same BS again AMD is always late hurr durr dem drivherz .

you seriously can't beat their marketing thumb.gif
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--> Isn't this actually the worst case scenario already?
Vega comes and is equal or almost as fast as 1080 Ti ... then what? If the Pascal successor Volta comes along within a few months and ups the game again, AMD will stand there without anyting to counter. AMD is no longer in a position where they have a plan B at hand. Until the next architecture Navi comes along to fight Volta, it will be roughly a whole year ... if not more.

I see this as a very dangerous way. We don't only need competition for $350+. AMD has to offer a whole new line-up as soon as Volta cards arrive. I fear AMD is stretching their Radeon line-up more and more each new generation. Skipping out one for over a year is no good sign.

Big Volta is not going to be ready to go this year. Not a chance. So whatever Volta card Nvidia might have ready to go is going to be the midrange chip, which at best might be like 20-30% faster than the 1080 Ti. So if we take "Vega roughly equals 1080 Ti" as the worst case then it still should mean solid competition across the GPU space up to somewhere around the $500-600 mark.

That's a lot better than what we've had the past couple years, and it provides competition for the vast majority of consumers... not many people are in the market for $600+ graphics cards. I am not optimistic at all about AMD's chances to surpass Pascal with Vega; I think that's a fantasy at best.
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$700 for midrange chips but it'll still be faster than the competition. Sad world huh!
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$700 for midrange chips but it'll still be faster than the competition. Sad world huh!

More like sad thinking lol.
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IF they using 12nm and its quite small chip with 10-15% leap from TXFP.


Most likely they would price it lower at $600. Still, its a hole in most people pocket.
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post #139 of 198
tahtd be $600 before retailers get there greedy hands on em and bump another 50-100% mark up, nothing is ever sold for what its supposed msrp in histroy, easiest way to ready the Suggested Prices ad another $250-$400 to there top end cards and about $100-$150 mid range prices,
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I actually laugh at the thought of anyone buying a 1080 Ti here in the UK. When the 980 Ti came out you could get them for £550. Now, prices are £800-900 for its successor. It's unfathomable why more of a fuss hasn't been kicked up. What the hell's going on? I mean this is over the space of around 1 year and the prices have gone insane.

Whether it's Nvidia to blame for this or not is not the issue. The fact that the prices have risen incredibly outside the US (and they've risen there too of course) cannot be played down. Having said that, I will never feed into this by buying a higher end Nvidia card at their current prices. I'll either wait for Vega or buy a used 1080 off eBay.
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