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I have given up to see Vega as competition. This arch got delayed so often, it gets more and more doubtful it will ever be a hit. Even if Vega finally hits the market some day, it is still unclear which arch it actually competes with. I smell a repeat of the Fiji flop, just with new HBM2. AMD has to either top their performance / watt game, which is unlikely looking at Polaris 2.0 or the Vega models have to be dirt cheap ... which yet again hurts AMD financially.

The only positive effect Vega could have is to keep the prices of old Pascal lower than we see them now. Question is how long Nvidia will have the 1000-series until it goes EOL and completely replaced.
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The roadmap from Capsaicin showed it slated for release in the middle of 2017; everything since has said H1 2017. Not seeing a delay here.
post #152 of 198
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Nice tactic by Novidio, if Vega miraculously is faster than TXp by 10-15% oc vs oc, then their fans will just wait for this (same fans ENTHUSIASTS who can't even wait a minute after announcement of TXp to order it for 10% improvement in performance). and repeat same BS again AMD is always late hurr durr dem drivherz .

you seriously can't beat their marketing thumb.gif

No one buys a Titan cuz of marketing they buy it cuz it's the fastest gpu. Bottom line. Some people are running 5k even 8k monitors. they actually downplayed the titan by saying it's for deep learning. They didn't have a countdown for 2 weeks or whatever it was like the Ti. If AMD is faster which it won't then your right people will jump on. But not cuz of marketing. There's no competition so they can do what they want. Having a 1200 gpu is good. It drops the price of every other card and makes them more attainable to more people who previously couldn't afford it. It's a vicious cycle but looking at it as a whole it's necessary.
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post #153 of 198
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No one buys a Titan cuz of marketing they buy it cuz it's the fastest gpu. Bottom line. Some people are running 5k even 8k monitors. they actually downplayed the titan by saying it's for deep learning. They didn't have a countdown for 2 weeks or whatever it was like the Ti. If AMD is faster which it won't then your right people will jump on. But not cuz of marketing. There's no competition so they can do what they want. Having a 1200 gpu is good. It drops the price of every other card and make them more attainable to more people who previously couldn't afford it. It's a vicious cycle but looking at it as a whole it's necessary.
It's not necessary. It doesn't drop the price of every other card; a reasonably priced high-end card does. When did the 1080 get a price drop? Was it when the Titan XP released? No. Was it when the 1080 Ti released? Yes. The entire point of making $1200 GPUs is so that prices don't drop on more reasonable options. All the benefits of a $1200 card that you're describing aren't true of it, but of the $650/$700 version.

NV could instead eschew the Titan line and simply release it as a xx80 Ti instead. Or better yet, go back to Fermi branding.
post #154 of 198
well i love GALAX they release single slot cards they just dropped the 1070 wich is sick, dont see alot of the big players release single slot at all, maybe Volta will bring that back since it should be seriously power efficient, but wait for first 2nd Titan release though, then oyoud be good for awhile if it least uses HBM2.
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No one buys a Titan cuz of marketing they buy it cuz it's the fastest gpu. Bottom line. Some people are running 5k even 8k monitors. they actually downplayed the titan by saying it's for deep learning. They didn't have a countdown for 2 weeks or whatever it was like the Ti. If AMD is faster which it won't then your right people will jump on. But not cuz of marketing. There's no competition so they can do what they want. Having a 1200 gpu is good. It drops the price of every other card and makes them more attainable to more people who previously couldn't afford it. It's a vicious cycle but looking at it as a whole it's necessary.
Once upon a time amd won and suddenly performance didnt matter on here, 'premium quality' was more important than a 'few fps' lol I hope amd concentrate on mid range and leave nvidia to the high end for a bit longer, I wanna see the $2500 titan volta. Its all marketing.
post #156 of 198
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I don' expect any bargains either. Since the last price drop, the 2nd hand models haven't moved a single cent. Before potential Volta replacements rol lin in ... my guess between October and December 2017 ... nothing will happen here.

A real pitty, I would have eyed a price cut of the 1070, but the prices have hardly been touched. The closer Volta comes, the less interesting Pascal gets.
In my country they did drop, and i bet they will drop another bit after 2000 release but i dont expect a sudden drop of price by 90%. unreal.
post #157 of 198
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I don' expect any bargains either. Since the last price drop, the 2nd hand models haven't moved a single cent. Before potential Volta replacements rol lin in ... my guess between October and December 2017 ... nothing will happen here.

A real pitty, I would have eyed a price cut of the 1070, but the prices have hardly been touched. The closer Volta comes, the less interesting Pascal gets.
Nah, Nvidia stretched the prices quite a bit since the 1080 and upwards. More than 700-800 for AIB custom cards is not possible in my opinion. No matter what Vega brings, it is at least a little competition. If Nvidia overdoes it, some buyers might even jump to a weaker card.
Lately I haven't been that picky about vendor anymore. The cheaper ones have stepped up their quality game and are real alternatives. Personally wished they had more ITX models. The Zotac 1080 Mini could get some company. ITX cases like mine don't like the oversized cards. I so desperately hope Volta will bring more variety. Expect Zotac, Asus and maybe Gigabyte, no vendor is interested in this segment. Yet there is a huge market to feed for such cards.
I have given up to see Vega as competition. This arch got delayed so often, it gets more and more doubtful it will ever be a hit. Even if Vega finally hits the market some day, it is still unclear which arch it actually competes with. I smell a repeat of the Fiji flop, just with new HBM2. AMD has to either top their performance / watt game, which is unlikely looking at Polaris 2.0 or the Vega models have to be dirt cheap ... which yet again hurts AMD financially.

The only positive effect Vega could have is to keep the prices of old Pascal lower than we see them now. Question is how long Nvidia will have the 1000-series until it goes EOL and completely replaced.
Polaris is running way more voltage than needed out of the box. How does the 470 consume similar power to a 1060 but the 480 is such a stark contrast despite only having 15% more cores? I'm not saying Pascal isn't still more efficient but the gap isn't as wide as you think and If Nvidia didn't encrypt the pascal bios, it would probably take in a lot more juice for not a lot more clocks as well.

One thing I will say is that Vega can only get better than Polaris and at 225w TDP. Given the new power saving features that Pascal already has, I wouldn't be surprised if Vega is more efficient.
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post #158 of 198
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Once upon a time amd won and suddenly performance didnt matter on here, 'premium quality' was more important than a 'few fps' lol I hope amd concentrate on mid range and leave nvidia to the high end for a bit longer, I wanna see the $2500 titan volta. Its all marketing.

 

Nvidia fans are crazy. But I hope they aren't that stupid as to buy a $2500 video card. $1000+ is already too much for something that's going to get surpassed the next year.

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???

The roadmap from Capsaicin showed it slated for release in the middle of 2017; everything since has said H1 2017. Not seeing a delay here.

You seriously still believe in AMD roadmaps? They are optimistic guesses at best. Tells nothing about the actual plans. If you really belive the gap between Polaris and Vega was planned, you better rethink the whole situation. Something happend and Vega did not hold what it should deliver on paper. When I see the power and heatspike of the RX500 series I start to link it to GlobalFoundry's 14nm tech.

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well i love GALAX they release single slot cards they just dropped the 1070 wich is sick, dont see alot of the big players release single slot at all, maybe Volta will bring that back since it should be seriously power efficient, but wait for first 2nd Titan release though, then oyoud be good for awhile if it least uses HBM2.

I am healead from my 1-slot, low-profile or passive cooled addiction. Just a good enough dual-slot cooler,not too long, maybe ITX compatible is all I need these days. Volta is hopefully another wave of smaller cooling solutions. Everything from below 20nm has been way too big for what it should have been. I see cards like the 1070 in ITX formats. Yet mostly all cards, even mid-range like the Rx500 series have this big oversized jung attached to them. Some even 2.5 to 3 slots. If this nonsense goes on, we need an extra case just for the graphcis card rolleyes.gif

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In my country they did drop, and i bet they will drop another bit after 2000 release but i dont expect a sudden drop of price by 90%. unreal.

Yes, AFTER the Launch of whatever the 2000-series will be. If Q3 is correct this could last another 6 months of waiting. Until then no further price drops should occur. If Vega arrives withing this time, my prediction is of course adaptable to the new market situation.

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Polaris is running way more voltage than needed out of the box. How does the 470 consume similar power to a 1060 but the 480 is such a stark contrast despite only having 15% more cores? I'm not saying Pascal isn't still more efficient but the gap isn't as wide as you think and If Nvidia didn't encrypt the pascal bios, it would probably take in a lot more juice for not a lot more clocks as well.

Tobiman, your same argument comes in almost every thread. Fact is that the Radeons have a bad manufacturing quality, so the voltage has to be risen in general to guarantee mass-procution. If the buyer has to tinker around with the voltage or other stuff, it is a flaw of the product. The RX470 is way weaker than a GTX1060, so that is no real argument. Pascal is indeed more effective because it does more than AMD counterparts, but with a smaller chip size. In case you tell me again this is not "efficient", please add a manuel for your new laws of physics.

GCN was never bult for high clocks. Therefore it has more cores. This doesn't change over night. Increasing the clocks just raises heat and power consumption as we can see with the RX500-series. The smaller Vega-series will not replcase Polaris till 2018 according to AMDs own roadmap. If Volta adds to the capabilities of Pascal, AMD is in for deep trouble in all segments.

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One thing I will say is that Vega can only get better than Polaris and at 225w TDP. Given the new power saving features that Pascal already has, I wouldn't be surprised if Vega is more efficient.

I don't trust the usual AMD "we are x-times more efficient" nonsense when they just increased the TDP of Polaris 2.0 to 185W TDP. To beat a GTX 1080 AMD has to double the performance of a RX480. Doing this with just 40W more seems a bit too much of a stretch. Either this is not true in the end or Polaris was just a horrible chip-series.
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Yes, AFTER the Launch of whatever the 2000-series will be. If Q3 is correct this could last another 6 months of waiting. Until then no further price drops should occur. If Vega arrives withing this time, my prediction is of course adaptable to the new market situation.
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