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Well, the Vega "unoptimized" demo AMD showed was just about GTX1080 level, not the big 1080TI. From January to now it was not that much time. Counting pre-production into the equotion and it is almost impoossible. With HBM2 on board it will be another expensive hardware, AMD can not afford to throw out. Expect $700+ like the Fury X. That would be between GTX1080 at $599 and the 1080 Ti at $799. It would depend where exactly the final performance lands.

The danger here is Nvidia engaging in a price-war. When Volta is around the corner within a few months or worse weeks, all the 1000-series Geforece could go into firesale. Vega would not stand a chance because it is price bound by its still expensive and exotic memory configuraiton and only 4/8GB of that rumours say.

What to say... I just hope you're wrong, otherwise AMD will be in big troubles and nvidia will keep going with its prices and all others nvidia things
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Fair enough!

I was never a potential buyer for any Titan. Seen too much change in the upper high-end. I rather buy everything from mid- to high-end class in several PCs. So I would gladly see a 1070 card class not over 400 Euros in the future too. To me competing means seriously take on the competitor. The selfdelusion some AMD fans is below me. Compromises are a NO-Go. A reason why so many buyers even take such nonsense cards like Titan / 1080Ti at any price.

Although I doubt the prices can go up any higher than we have seen it this generation. At some points the sales are going down because the buyers money is not endless. As a company Nvidia will hopefully avoid this stupidy at all costs.
Compromises are a NO-GO even during the disaster that was Fermi?
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I'd say you are doing it wrong. Wait 2-4 years on buying new games. Then buy ganes for $5-10 on steam sales. Upgrade GPU's every 4 years or so. My 780's are 4 years old now this month, but I got them for $250 each last year. thumb.gif
maaan 250$ for a 780 last year was too expensive biggrin.gif
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I am one of those lucky guys who has birthday and christmas very close together. Sometimes there is an bigger present under the tree thumb.gif
I worked with OEMs for several projects. The schedule dates of AMD are infamous for being vague. Never on time, rarely on quality and the quantity is a joke to be honest. Whenever they give a release promise, take the last possible date they say and think of it as paperlaunch. Then add 1-2 month for potential availability.

Unless Nvidia, AMd doesn't produce up to 3 month before a launch. Team red always does it a few weeks before release and then they can hit their quotas. For a product that has been a barely attached prototype, this is not possible in H1/2017. We would have heard about this weeks ago. One of the reasons I am so pessimistic about Vega.
R9-390 was a heater. Coming from there everything is efficient. Most of the gains came from the node shrink. The rest of your text is rather optimistic, my friend. Nvidia had clear improvements from Kepler over Maxwell to Pascal, each visible and based one after another. Do your really think AMD is capable of doing this all in one go? The only thing brings Vega close to Pascal is HBM2 because it fights against GDDR5(X). It will be a complete repeat of Fiji vs Maxwell. At the start of 2018 GDDR6 is coming and the gap closes even more here.

Blind faith is poison when it concerns AMD. You will only find disappointment. i don't belive in it becoming the nexct wonderchip.

About Volta some Benches were released recently. There a big Volta GP100 was outclassing todays flagship GP100 in FP64 by 100% (!!!!!) That means TWICE AS FAST. Yes, this is a workstation class card and not a gaming one. Yet even if the gaming one is only 40-60% like I always carefully estimate, Vega will not e able to pull so much power out of its head. Parity with Pascal would be already good for ressoruce starved AMD. We hear Vega not even be close to 1080 Ti and fighting with 1080 instead.

Poor Volta indeed, because it will run circles around Vega .. all alone ... so sad. Yeah, and Vega and all the AMD fans like you will be sad too. Waiting for Navi then of course. rolleyes.gif
You aren't much of a saint basing so much of your info on rumors. There's no other source that can even confirm this and no one knows which market this will be released for. Volta's FP64 performance is speculation. There hasn't been a single bench out there to back your claim.

Fact is Vega will exceed pascal in FP32 and Nvidia won't have Teslas based on Volta until next year. Fiji already matches Pascal in FP32 and will be cheaper. No wonder Google is buying them up.
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Compromises are a NO-GO even during the disaster that was Fermi?

Yes, 1st Gen Fermi was a disaster. Although Nvidia still manged to get the performance crown. A thing AMD never had with their last-ditch efforts. Nvidia fixed the design flaws meeting a bad process node within one generation. From the Geforce 400 series to the 500 one most issues were fixed. AMD on the other hand seems to get worse. God only knows what happened between the RX400 to REBRANDED RX500 series. I still can not comprehend how much AMD messed up there.

All I want is a little bit of fairness. If you hate Nvidia for what they did or are doing, please tend the same behavior to AMD too. Fermi was critisized big time. Whenever AMD does similar things, they get a pass for no apparent reason. Let's stop with the double standards and start to critisize what is wrong. Talk about what is wrong today, not events from early 2010. It's one of the facts I hate about AMD fans. They only live in the "glory of the past", even when their favorit company is in critical condition.

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maaan 250$ for a 780 last year was too expensive biggrin.gif

i thought it was a typo at first too, but he probably bought more than 1. Question is if a single 1060 wouldn't have been better without mGPU issues.
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What to say... I just hope you're wrong, otherwise AMD will be in big troubles and nvidia will keep going with its prices and all others nvidia things

At this point I don't know either. AMD is not getting their game together lateley. Of course I could be completely wrong. But the past years match too much with what I say. The underdog turning everything around in a mirracle just doesn't work in science. It's a fairy tale and doesn't belong to hard facts.

Nvidia can not hold up prices that high forever. In the worst case they have soon to compete with their own procuts. Gamers don't buy new hardware if the incentive is not high enough.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 4/24/17 at 4:09am
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maaan 250$ for a 780 last year was too expensive biggrin.gif

You could get a brand new Fury in North America last year with that amount. Why would anyone want a used 780 at that price point? I understand that the nvidia crowd would prefer inferior products as long as they are Green, but why a used 780 when used 970s are faster, more efficient , have more ram and are better supported?
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You could get a brand new Fury in North America last year with that amount. Why would anyone want a used 780 at that price point? I understand that the nvidia crowd would prefer inferior products as long as they are Green, but why a used 780 when used 970s are faster, more efficient , have more ram and are better supported?

Lol I would pay $70 for a 780
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You could get a brand new Fury in North America last year with that amount. Why would anyone want a used 780 at that price point? I understand that the nvidia crowd would prefer inferior products as long as they are Green, but why a used 780 when used 970s are faster, more efficient , have more ram and are better supported?

Yeah that was a pretty good scam thumb.gif
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Well 1H=Jan to June, in between Q1 and Q2=March to April, so it's 6 months vs 2 months, also 1H is very generic, could mean anything, but April is almost over, and May is the fifth month, unless they reschedule that (would be a suicide) we're close, but again, not only because you specify 1H it HAS to be June.
I think that when people say Q1/Q2/etc. they generally mean quarters of the calendar year rather than the fiscal year. If it's the fiscal year, then yeah Vega would be late based on that rumor, but I don't know exactly where it came from.

Regardless, I think there have been a lot of rumors indicating a May release of Vega, and coupled with the leaks, demos and the release of the 500 series, it seems pretty likely.
Edited by Pyrotagonist - 4/23/17 at 7:00pm
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Nvidia release volta in near sept might not be fake.

Maxwell was released in sept after titan black appeared in February.
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