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I was running BF1 in ultra @3440x1440 at 100fps on my recent rig. Did it look better then Pro @2880x1620 50-60fps at High settings? No doubt. But very minimal difference. Certainly not one that would justify the massive difference in cost. That's my reasoning for opting out. I can easily afford to stay on PC. But with the need to constantly upgrade to stay on the edge due to poorly optimization and milking by Nvidia. No thanks. Games will continue to look better and better on the Pro and upcoming Scorpio for a one time fee of $399. thumb.gif
The graphical differences will grow though, and a higher end card from today will age much better than the Pro and Scorpio. I guess it's your choice though. The opinion of one moron on the internet shouldn't effect that in any way.
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You only get milked if you let yourself get milked.

Pretty much this. But people have money to blow, and it's their money, so good for them. Buying midrange has always been my go to every 2-3 years. I haven't made an upper level purchase yet either.
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I was running BF1 in ultra @3440x1440 at 100fps on my recent rig. Did it look better then Pro @2880x1620 50-60fps at High settings? No doubt. But very minimal difference. Certainly not one that would justify the massive difference in cost. That's my reasoning for opting out. I can easily afford to stay on PC. But with the need to constantly upgrade to stay on the edge due to poorly optimization and milking by Nvidia. No thanks. Games will continue to look better and better on the Pro and upcoming Scorpio for a one time fee of $399. thumb.gif

I'd like to hear your insight into these poor optimizations you speak of.
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Don't confuse architecture with segment.

Polaris is mid-range, and is trading blows with mid-range pascal. That, is the definition of a fight.

How ironic! Polaris is the bigger chip and can hardly keep the smaller sized Pascal models in check. At least not without blowing heat and power consumption out of the roof. Even Maxwell could fight this so called "mid-range" of AMD, so his agument was very true.

IF you call that a fight, it's a fight for survival ... and to make matters worse, a desperate one for team red. Without any high-end product in sight and a medicre bottom to mid segment, matters don't look too good. What do you think will happen when Volta comes along and mops the floor with the rest of the Radeon line-up?

Oh, and don't count on Vega. As long as we haven't heard anything about this overhyped ghost product, the question is open if it can even compete with a GTX 1080 / 1080 Ti. At this point I believe Vega is maybe even vaporware. Polaris is already DOA, which the 500-series rebrand clearly proofs.
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How ironic! Polaris is the bigger chip and can hardly keep the smaller sized Pascal models in check. At least not without blowing heat and power consumption out of the roof. Even Maxwell could fight this so called "mid-range" of AMD, so his agument was very true.

IF you call that a fight, it's a fight for survival ... and to make matters worse, a desperate one for team red. Without any high-end product in sight and a medicre bottom to mid segment, matters don't look too good. What do you think will happen when Volta comes along and mops the floor with the rest of the Radeon line-up?

Oh, and don't count on Vega. As long as we haven't heard anything about this overhyped ghost product, the question is open if it can even compete with a GTX 1080 / 1080 Ti. At this point I believe Vega is maybe even vaporware. Polaris is already DOA, which the 500-series rebrand clearly proofs.

Polaris 10 is the mid range while 11 is the low-end. Vega is supposed being the high-end. AMD isn't doing so bad with these two tiers. They consume more than nvidia but that's not so relevant for many consumers. They are much cheaper and offer something most will consider enough. Some people will get what is the best bang for buck some will spend a bit more but in the end, these two segments (mid and low) is where the market is. High-end is more for people like you. It really polarize the debate when you compare the flagships or the lack of it. It's so much easy to say: "AMD suck because they don't have any high-end" than "they're both within 10-20% performance difference". I think nvidia is trying to keep that momentum with better flagship (and inaccessible).
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Don't confuse architecture with segment.

Polaris is mid-range, and is trading blows with mid-range pascal. That, is the definition of a fight.

I think you are confused instead. If vega is meant to compete volta which is considered high end for Gtx 2080. I think if i step down accordingly polaris should fight with pascal 1080. But nah. They still cant fully beat 980 ti maxwell. That is what i mean.

So i dont expect vega to be able to fight against gtx 2080, unless the difference between vega and polaris is just too big.
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Polaris 10 is the mid range while 11 is the low-end. AMD isn't doing so bad with these two tiers.

Are you kidding me? Those low- to mid-range cards consume more than the high- to enthusiast segment of both Nvidia or AMD. Yet they are way weaker. The RX400 series was already outsold many-times by Pascal and the 500-series is going to be worse than that. If you don't call that bad, you must be seriously downplay the actual situation. Looking at statistics only every 4th sold card is an AMD model. If we take it worse ever 5th. When we count Maxwell into the stats, Radeons are not even in the first 10th places anywhere.

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They consume more than nvidia but that's not so relevant for many consumers. They are much cheaper and offer something most will consider enough. Some people will get what is the best bang for buck some will spend a bit more but in the end, these two segments (mid and low) is where the market is.

The Radeons are not that much cheaper to justify such negative side affects. If consumers have to buy the next better PSU or invest more into cooling inside their case or the cards itself, it is not acceptable. The metric "best bang for the buck" is for cheapscates. Cheap buyers buy twice is a motto here. Should Volta even bring a few low- to mid-end cards into the race, AMD will have nothing to fight against this threat.

In case AMD dares to even rebrand Polaris again after their RX500-series stunt, even the hardcore AMD fans will leave their side.

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Vega is supposed being the high-end. High-end is more for people like you. It really polarize the debate when you compare the flagships or the lack of it. It's so much easy to say: "AMD suck because they don't have any high-end" than "they're both within 10-20% performance difference". I think nvidia is trying to keep that momentum with better flagship (and inaccessible).

No, 10-20% difference for almost the same price is not acceptable. I would say AMd sucks because they often fail to deliver at the right time. God only knows when the new Radeon cards will be even available. Every generation it takes them 2-3 months for available hardware after each paperlaunch. I doubt Vega is good enough to cover so much performance territory to fight the Pascal 1000 and upcoming Volta 2000-series. If AMD tries to attempt it, there will be huge gaps between Polaris and Vega.

I must admit, I am not happy with all the GP102 nonsense going on right now. Not even the richest idiots buy 2-3 Titan / TI class cards in such a short time period. To me it seems like Nvidia is clearing everything they have left of Pascal to make room for Volta. I also doubt there will be anything Volta related until Q4 2017 up to Q1 2018. Then Micron is said to have their GDDR6 in mass-production ready and we go from now 11Gbps GDDR5X to 16Gbps GDDR6. That alone is a huge jump, not to speak of the underlaying architecture.

Polaris is already running on fumes and HBM won't save Vega too. Hasn't worked with Fiji either. When the rumors about the 4GB / 8GB HBM2 Vega models are true, AMD can be ready for another generation of duds only absolute fanboys love to defend.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 4/21/17 at 11:34am
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This means 1080 Ti prices will go down considerably, nice.

Volta cards should have such a high jump in Vram it won't be an issue for a long time considering the 1080 Ti has 11GB.
    
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Just lol. Glad I sent my Xp back and stepped away from PC gaming for good. What a joke this industry has become with milking its customers.

 

Unfortunately that is just a case of users thinking they need the very best to play games.
 

You can buy an i5/Ryzen 5 and a 1070 and play games (if not maxed out, close to) at 1080p/1440p no worries whatsoever for the next 3 or 4 years and the cost of the computer won't go over 900$

   
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Just lol. Glad I sent my Xp back and stepped away from PC gaming for good. What a joke this industry has become with milking its customers.

?

 

I gamed on a GTX 550Ti up until Jan last year and I only upgraded due to the lack of VRAM, the frame rates I were getting were still playable. Newer games did look garbage, but you don't need the latest top end hardware for gaming.

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