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Its not happened yet because were still in the transition from dx11 to dx12. The reason we dont currently see that benefit is because games are still made as dx11 with a dx12 patch. Eventually games will be made as dx12/vulkan only, and thats when the performamce will manifest.

Right now one thing is certain, recommending a 4 core i7 right now would idiotic with intel 6 cores on the way. I could be very wrong but i doubt coffee lake 6 core i7s will be in OP price range (with no upgrade path).
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We hope that AMD has backed the right conceptual horse here but they were using the argument that more cores is the future since bulldozers release, and little in the way of development for games has progressed since that time IMO. At the very least, based on AMD's estimates, multi-threading would be status quo by these days but it still isn't. Although multi cores in my opinion surely is going to be the next CPU arms race, however single threaded performance still will remain very much a factor.

Ryzen has potential but don't forget if the situation changes then you still have AM4 supported until 2020.

Ryzen is behind Kabylake about 10% in IPC, with up to 25% clock deficit (5GHz vs 4GHz). It has up to 2x the threads, 50% more if you go Ryzen 5 1600.

Bulldozer /Vishera had > 50% IPC deficit and little clock deficit (i.e. 5GHz vs 4.7GHz-4.9GHz , albeit with high power consumption), on top of having only 8 threads in which if it is a floating point load you effectively have 4 threads.
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I know that Ryzen likes high frequency RAM, according to the benchmarks I saw.

But is 3200 the minimum recommendation for a 1600?

Is it a terrible thing if I got 2400 or 2666?

16gb of 3200 RAM is not overkill? Atm I have 8gb 1333 in Dual Channel.
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This is really a question only you yourself can answer. It all depends on how you use your computer, and what your budget is. When it comes to enthusiasts and gamers, nothing is ever future proof. The second a new generation of processor or graphics card is released, they are behind. And being behind is what drives them to dump money into building pc's. If you don't push your hardware to the limit every day, a ryzen CPU will surely be an upgrade that will last you at least 4 years. Zen2 is planned to be a direct upgrade to fit into all existing AM4 sockets, so if you wanted to change the CPU down the road, 4-6 years from now, you will have that option. And for all intents and purposes, DDR4 will be around for a long time coming as well. I myself used my 860K for gaming for over 4 years now and the only thing that ever kept getting upgraded was the graphics card. Your budget should dictate how much you can invest in hardware upgrades.

I play Rocket League, Hearthstone, Fallout 4, Dark Souls, WoW (sometimes) those kinds of games. Most of em are console ports so maybe that's why they don't need hectic CPU's.

The most demanding game I played was the Witcher 3 and I could almost max it out (shadows, bloom or w/e its called on medium-low). It wasn't avg 60 fps but it was definitely more than 40.

I'm on 1080p so that's probably why. I would like to move up to 1440p, but only if I can get a better GPU and right now, I'm not that impressed with anything from AMD and the 1070 is out of price range, I'd have to wait for vega or a GTX 1160 or what have you.

I'm basically just tryina get bang for buck and then splurge on things that absolutely need to be splurged on lol (GPU)
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If you don't push your hardware to the limit every day, a ryzen CPU will surely be an upgrade that will last you at least 4 years.
I can't understand the context of this quote!! Does it mean that if I were to run a Ryzen 8 core with apps that used all its cores to the fullest, I would get erratic performance that'll break my system ? Or is it that a Kaby i7 with is 4cores is a true multi core champion as it can run any application that can take advantage of it's all cores and always come out at the top ?

Or is it about the clocks that these chips run at ? Is it that the Ryzen chips face performance degradation when run clocked as high as possible compared to their Kaby / BroadwellE counterparts ?

It's an interesting statement that I can't find data to correlate with !!
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I can't understand the context of this quote!! Does it mean that if I were to run a Ryzen 8 core with apps that used all its cores to the fullest, I would get erratic performance that'll break my system ? Or is it that a Kaby i7 with is 4cores is a true multi core champion as it can run any application that can take advantage of it's all cores and always come out at the top ?

Or is it about the clocks that these chips run at ? Is it that the Ryzen chips face performance degradation when run clocked as high as possible compared to their Kaby / BroadwellE counterparts ?

It's an interesting statement that I can't find data to correlate with !!

The context is that if you are running your system to the bleeding edge every day, in a year when the next iteration of a chip comes out, you will always want to continuously upgrade to get the maximum possible performance. If you are just doing light gaming and productivity work, the speed at which ryzen provides will be more than adequate for years to come.
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Well if a low clocked sandybridge i3 has been sufficient for you the last 6 years, then most of the Ryzen lineup should be more than adequate to facilitate you for the next 6. Especially a 6 or 8 core. 1600, 1700 are best bang/buck unless you really dont want to mess with overclocking, then 1600X.
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Well multithreading is kicking in nice these days....

My very old FX-8350 (late 2012) still hold it´s own in 1080p 60Hz and mid range GPU´s. Modern games run just fine, actually all games i have, including old single thread games runs nice.

My CPU is 5 years old, and i dont have any problems. I will wait for Zen+ to upgrade.

In my opinion the R7 1700 is the way to go. Quad core CPU´s still have very good performance ( most just games @ 1080p, but not all ! ), but it´s the very last breath.

Buy a proper motherboard and overclock it to 3.8, you will have a monster CPU that will, for sure, last 5 years. Buy some good RAM, DDR4 16GB 3200.

It will be very good RIG !

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I think Ryzen will definitely last you for 6+ years performance wise. Performance increase will be slower allowing AMD to survive and catch up.

But I'm not sure it will allow you to plug in the amount of memory you may want - 16GB is enough today at 3200, but probably not in 4-6 years. For 32GB memory you will either sacrifice some memory speed, swap the CPU much sooner or hope that AMD fixes the memory problems in a few months from now.
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