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Oh god it's gonna be an expensive year if that's true. 12-core 79xx processor and new Rampage mobo. biggrin.gif

Not that I've found much real-world use for my 6950X yet..maybe it's time to sell some of my X58 gear.
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Still no ECC memory support by Intel desktop CPUs ? Good. thumb.gif

RyZen wins again with
1) ECC memory support,
2) Hardware SHA (Extremely important feature for almost all types of E-Commerce platforms)

When this Intel HETD comes out, it will be competing against the more stable than ever RyZen with even higher IPC due to faster RAM as compared to the very first batch of reviews.
Even if Intel ends up being faster say 5-15%, they will not be able to milk anyone anymore. I say 20% higher price than AMD counter part should be okay.

Tbh I'm still afraid of Intel being Intel in terms of pricing. biggrin.gif

They'll have to stop milking the huge HEDT market share and focus on the tiny 90%+ of the world enterprise market tongue.gif
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I assume everyone has ECC on their Ryzen rig, yeah?
That is why I wrote 'support', you jealous silly.
    
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Still no ECC memory support by Intel desktop CPUs ? Good. thumb.gif

RyZen wins again with
1) ECC memory support,

While it is disappointing that x299 will lack ECC support, Ryzen's ECC support is currently barely implemented...
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In conclusion, what is currently available on the AM4 platform is an incomplete implementation of ECC. This is very likely why motherboard manufacturers have been relatively hesitant about claiming that their products support ECC memory in ECC mode. Based on our findings, there is clearly some level of ECC functionality that is working right now, but it does not cover the full spectrum of memory error detection and correction. Having said that, the status quo is arguably better than nothing...
...we strongly suspect that AMD will first have to release an update to their CPU microcode to fully unlock all of the necessary settings. Furthermore, there definitely needs to be some work done at the operating system level to let users know when ECC is enabled and what it is doing, more so on the Windows side than the Linux one.

Source: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/75030-ecc-memory-amds-ryzen-deep-dive-5.html
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That is why I wrote 'support', you jealous silly.

Jelly? Just better informed as AMD implementation is lacklustre, hence the popularity of non ECC kits smile.gif.
 
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Jelly? Just better informed as AMD implementation is lacklustre, hence the popularity of non ECC kits smile.gif.

 

Lackluster implementation of ECC? ECC either works or it doesn't. It uses standard correction algorythms implemented in a standard manner (which is a broad way of saying almost all of them use TMR or Hamming redundancy codes).

 

And the processors support ECC, it's the motherboard manufacturers' decision to not certify their boards.

 

Anyway - back to the article, which is about SKL-X, not Ryzen.

 

Quite excited to see the proper HEDT SKUs! And quite curious as well to see if the KBL-X chip will ever see the light of the day.


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Lackluster implementation of ECC? ECC either works or it doesn't. It uses standard correction algorythms implemented in a standard manner (which is a broad way of saying almost all of them use TMR or Hamming redundancy codes).

And the processors support ECC, it's the motherboard manufacturers' decision to not certify their boards.

If it works so well, why did manufacturers refuse to certify them? Is it due to some legal implications that may arise in case of fire, break glass? AMD is directly responsible for the failure of its partners to provide certification for such a feature. We all know the story try it at your own risk, we are not to blame. Let us be honest, ECC memory will never be popular for home use and there is no need to run around the bush.

We have examples of features not working on launch with Chipzilla as well. They worked closely with their partners to fix them because they could not offer the client the whole package. INTEL fails too, not only AMD.
 
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If it works so well, why did manufacturers refuse to certify them? Is it due to some legal implications that may arise in case of fire, break glass? AMD is directly responsible for the failure of its partners to provide certification for such a feature. We all know the story try it at your own risk, we are not to blame. Let us be honest, ECC memory will never be popular for home use and there is no need to run around the bush.

 

Because it's not cost-efficient to do so. The same way Xeons work fine on most desktop boards yet they are rarely certified. Or the reason Xeons also work on HEDT gaming stuff yet they are hardly ever certified, too.

 

The chipmaker creates a spec, then it's up to whoever implements it to decide which features to certify or not (other than the obvious basic feature set).

 

Nothing to do with it being buggy or unfinished or whatever - production silicon is final and in working conditions in all of its features, as far as the consumer is concerned. You then choose a board that's certified for what you need.

   
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Oh God, this rumor again? There's no way Intel would do something so stupid. Just look at this:




Do you know what other Kaby Lake CPU has four cores, 16 PCIe lanes, and two DDR4 memory channels? The 7700K! The thing that has existed for months now!

There's no way Intel would do this, right? This would be like releasing the 3770K for X79 alongside the 3930K, but somehow more stupid.

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I assume everyone has ECC on their Ryzen rig, yeah?

It's an option that isn't arbitrarily restricted. Hell my AM1 board and processor can handle ECC just fine.

I guess I'm a little confused what you're trying to say.

If you want to talk about X79, they released the 3930K and 3960X along with a 3820 which was compatible with 2011, had all 40 lanes and quad channel memory capability even though it was a 4 core CPU.

So is it so far out there for them to release Skylake X on X299 and a Kabylake X compatible with X299 but is limited to 24 PCIe lanes but has access to quad channel memory? This gives 4, 6, 8, and 10 core CPUs on X299.
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The thing is that the KBL-X part is dual channel - so basically a 7700K on X299.

 

It's a nonsensical chip by all metrics.

   
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