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difference between 7700k and 7740K is soldered ihs, +100mhz base clock and all core 4.5 turbo.
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For all we know it could just be a super high margin part to draw more people into HEDT with the 'but it has an upgrade path!' argument.

   
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While it is disappointing that x299 will lack ECC support, Ryzen's ECC support is currently barely implemented...
Source: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/75030-ecc-memory-amds-ryzen-deep-dive-5.html

Seems firmware problem or perhaps Asrock doesn't actually provide working support for 72-bit bus ?( unlikely though since Asrock claim it works in ECC mode.) Also, that review is from 1st of March, it is more than a month old now and Asrock has provided many BIOS updates since then, someone should test it again.
Well there are three more boards, Biostart X370GT7, ga AX370 Gaming k7 and ga AX370 gaming 5 that are being sold as ECC compatible.
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https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-does-support-ecc-but-mainboards-need-to-enable-it-and.2500613/
--- update April 8th ----

Had contact with ASRock about the support for ECC under linux in latest BIOS v2.20. ASRock confirmed the issue, stated that they will make sure that future versions of BIOS will support ECC under linux again. Also they sent me a 2.20B version, that contains all features of the 2.20 version including the ECC support under linux that used to be there in versions 1.40 and 1.30. Well done by ASRock, to me it seems they are committed to have ECC working.

But I agree, we need more testing before claiming RyZen as fully funtional ECC supportive platform.
    
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How come up to Ryzen this whole ECC was not relevant for home use and now all of a sudden it is? ECC memory is still at a disadvantage compared to normal memory and does not clock as well. When everyone here on OCN starts running stuff for the CIA or DOJ, then I will understand the need for ECC, but this is an OC board with people who build machines for gaming, editing, pretty much any activity where ECC memory has no tangible benefits.
Well you can't account for or generalize almost half a million members in OCN on what they do with their systems. Gaming community may be a large part of it but still people who buy HEDT platform solely for gaming purpose are outnumbered by huge margin by other hardcore gamers who don't own HEDT type computers at all. Although I agree number of gamers with HEDT system may be higher than users who need/want ECC based system, but then again it all comes down to the fact that ECC support in desktop has not been available widely at all until now. If AMD provided option for it (slightly unstable for now I agree), it will obviously open opportunities for many who couldn't use that feature for years due to cost or other complexities.
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Are we using ECC as a way to throw dirt on INTEL's new products?
Then I can say the same for AVX/AVX2 that has been advertized so much despite very significant and frequently used general purpose apps still don't utilize that wide SIMD units at all.
Serioulsy, I mean it doesn't hurt to show the features that truly exist in here, no exaggeration done in here.
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Are we still that naïve in thinking that AMD has an influence on the market?
With RyZen's launch and the potential it has regarding future performance inprovements and CPU support, your sentence become obsolete as of now. tongue.gif
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If INTEL deems that the consumer needs ECC at home, they will add it to the package. Until then, AMD is a little fish with no say in this.
Or may be, just may be because there was no overall attractive competition until now, Intel chose to not let that kind of sweet be consumed by consumers ?

P.S. I apologize for the rude behavior if there was any, in any of my previous posts.

Well I am truely interested to know the pricing of these upcoming Intel HEDT though.
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Otherwise, I have no idea what Kaby Lake X's purpose would be; seeing that it is only a 2 Channel DDR4 configuration and only has 16 PCIe lanes.

By right it should be 24 lanes, but hell Intel basically crippled their product like no tomorrow just to milk us. For Skylake-X due to distinct core differences I believe they no longer separate the PCIe lanes and all will adopt 40 channels.



Despite all this, Kaby-X existence was only due to no threat from AMD during the design phase, now that Ryzen has risen, Intel will not pull such milking stunt again in their HEDT platform, especially so since Coffee Lake itself comes with 6-cores flagship. And having any future 4 cores for HEDT will be left to collect dust in their HEDT segment.


Quad core should have been dead. Like really dead long time ago. It is way overdue but glad it is finally happening.
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So I waited for ryzen and now I'll wait for intel before I make my decision. Price is key here like some people say it is Intel then again when's the last time they had competition?
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Zen's server counterpart is definitely gonna have impact on Intel tho. Since clockspeed >4Ghz & High speed mem is not necessary for servers. Its about performance/watt & price there.

And we all know servers is where the real money is.
What impact are you to referring to? Maybe in small scale home servers or small businesses. I certainly don't think enterprise is going to start adopting new technology and hope everything works out. It's hard to point a finger at an organization or data center that's going to start stripping racks and replacing solid guaranteed intel systems with amd systems. Maybe a new company willing to try technology will but it's going to be a long hard road before amd starts gaining percentages in the enterprise space.
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I'm curious how increase L2 cache of the X skylake will compare with mainstream skylake in various workloads. Other than that this seems like a boring launch, though if Intel comes to their senses and prices competitively with AMD it might get interesting.
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I wish that AMD would have saved the 1800x moniker for a higher core count part and just had the 1700x be the top sku in the 7 lineup. The 1800x $500 price tag is not as disruptive to Intels pricing model as the 1700x is. If the 1800x was a 10 core or 12 core model at $500-$600 the outlook for pricing from Intel would be much better.

Selling the same chip at three different price points muddies things up and a $500 AMD 8 core will allow Intel to sell a $600 8 core without much trouble. I would much rather be looking at Intel to compete with a $400 8 core than a $500 8 core.

Hopefully the pricing falls in line but like others have said, I don't think they have to compete aggressively on price.... they just have to come reasonably close.
AMD 8 core is $329. I doubt Intel will compete with that for years.
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I'm curious how increase L2 cache of the X skylake will compare with mainstream skylake in various workloads. Other than that this seems like a boring launch, though if Intel comes to their senses and prices competitively with AMD it might get interesting.

Supposedly it's for AVX-512, and that could also explain the reduced L3 cache (13.75MB apparently) as well since each core has more L2 available.

If they do overhaul the cache that way, I'd like to see otherwise-equivalent LGA-1151 and LGA-2066 Skylakes competing against each other. Locked to 4GHz, DDR4-2666 dual-channel, and so on. It'd be interesting to see the impact.
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