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Fail to see the relevance this bears. I haven't confused the two, I simply left out "NVMe" in my original posts. Might I mention you were the one that brought up the lack of significant real-world performance benefit for the average user whether AHCI or NVMe is used with M.2, then continued to emphasize the importance of the differentiation... a funny contraction- if an NVMe M.2 SSD and AHCI M.2 SSD offer similar gaming performance, how would saying just "M.2" be misleading, in the context of gaming?
Differentiating between protocols (NVMe and AHCI) is necessary because M.2 (an interface) doesn't differentiate between the two. You keep isolating interface when you should be isolating protocol. I'm not sure how many times I need to say an AHCI SSD will perform identically regardless of interface. If someone is in the market for a Samsung 850 EVO, they should compare prices between SATA and M.2 (once again, interfaces) to see which is cheaper because either will offer the exact same performance.

I brought up the "lack of significant real-world performance benefit" because you were lumping every M.2 SSD together as if they all used the same protocol. Just because when you hear "M.2" you think "NVMe" doesn't mean everyone else is that ignorant.
post #52 of 76
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I brought up the "lack of significant real-world performance benefit" because you were lumping every M.2 SSD together as if they all used the same protocol. Just because when you hear "M.2" you think "NVMe" doesn't mean everyone else is that ignorant.
I already admitted I messed up on the clarification the first few times- however from then on I've been intentionally leaving out "NVMe" because I only mean the M.2 interface, whether you use either protocol is as we have agreed, negligible. If a SATA SSD is more competitively priced, get that. Obviously this doesn't matter outside of theory because I highly doubt the OP's Z77 board has an M.2 interface.
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I'm not sure how many times I need to say an AHCI SSD will perform identically regardless of interface.
You don't need to say it, it's obvious (as M.2 is simply an interface, just like PCIe or SATA), and it doesn't matter. I was never recommending an AHCI M.2 SSD, as you can use SATA. When I said M.2 I assumed it was obvious that I meant an M.2 SSD with the NVMe protocol (again, google "m.2 ssd" and see which generates more results), and while I have admitted numerous times it was an error of semantics, you keep insisting it implies I have no idea what I'm talking about. I know (and have known for this entire discussion) the difference between an interface and a protocol, I've read about M.2 months ago.

As for the speed between two SSDs- one running the AHCI protocol over M.2 and the other running NVMe over M.2- there I was flat out wrong, thinking that there was a significant improvement in gaming performance. I have taken back my statement and agreed.
post #53 of 76
3770K -> Ryzen 6-8C won't be an upgrade in gaming. It's more a side-grade or even down-grade in many cases.

I'd get i7-7700K and try to hit 5 GHz or wait for Coffee Lake 6C / Skylake-X 6-8C.

And 1080 Ti / Vega..

You should get a HDR monitor, preferably at 100 Hz or more and 1440p+

M.2 / PCIe SSD is not worth it for normal use and gaming IMO.
Edited by Lass3 - 4/27/17 at 4:48am
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3770K -> Ryzen 6-8C won't be an upgrade in gaming. It's more a side-grade or even down-grade in many cases.

I'd get i7-7700K and try to hit 5 GHz or wait for Coffee Lake 6C / Skylake-X 6-8C.

And 1080 Ti / Vega..

You should get a HDR monitor, preferably at 100 Hz or more and 1440p+

M.2 / PCIe SSD is not worth it for normal use and gaming IMO.
I agree with everything here- except I'd hold off on buying a new processor. That's my personal opinion.
Edited by furdieur - 4/27/17 at 5:30am
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I agree with everything here- except I'd hold off on buying a new processor. That's my personal opinion.

Yeah, he could just keep the system as it is and change GPU and get a great HDR 1440p monitor.

Maybe delid CPU and aim for a 4.8+ OC, or 4.5+ with no delid. Not sure if CPU is OC'ed or not as it is.
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You're also running your 3770k at 5 GHz... did you delid?
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I agree with everything here- except I'd hold off on buying a new processor. That's my personal opinion.

Yeah, he could just keep the system as it is and change GPU and get a great HDR 1440p monitor.

Maybe delid CPU and aim for a 4.8+ OC, or 4.5+ with no delid. Not sure if CPU is OC'ed or not as it is.

The only problem with going for an HDR monitor right now is there's no decent ones. The only 1440p 144hz HDR panel isn't at all interesting because it will be a TN panel with curved screen. Unless you step up to the PG27UQ, you are stuck with one or two of the following: 1080p / 60Hz / TN curved and that's a no-go for allot of people wanting a premium gaming monitor.

OP already ordered a 1440p 165Hz IPS which is the best you can buy this year without spending $2000.
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The only problem with going for an HDR monitor right now is there's no decent ones. The only 1440p 144hz HDR panel isn't at all interesting because it will be a TN panel with curved screen. Unless you step up to the PG27UQ, you are stuck with one or two of the following: 1080p / 60Hz / TN curved and that's a no-go for allot of people wanting a premium gaming monitor.

OP already ordered a 1440p 165Hz IPS which is the best you can buy this year without spending $2000.

Yep, HDR sounds great and all but coming from my Dell U2312hm, to the Asus I just purched I know I will be satisfied smile.gif

And yes, I have my CPU at 4.5!
post #59 of 76
Sorry I didnt see you've already bought a monitor.

But get a custom 1080 Ti then smile.gif Or wait for Vega if you want to. But I think it's gonna be 2 more months.
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post #60 of 76
There's no reason to wait for Vega. Pascal is more than capable of handling 1440p. Heck, Polaris can handle 1440p.
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