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After the creators update, my SSD is dying

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Cant boot up fast, and things disappears, and not operating right. I check the sandisk software and its showing poor health. Never had this before, 3 year old SSD, what should i expect to happen next? Do i need to replace immediatly? Can it wait a couple of weeks?
 
#2 ·
Back-up important things if you need to wait.
 
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Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post

^This, ASAP.
It's semiconductor storage, it may hold up for another week or it can die completely within an hour from now.
does anyone have a Define R4 case? It forces you to have the ssd behind the mobo, now i wont be able to replace without completely unhooking the mobo and even then im not sure.
 
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Well there you go, it should never have done that....that's probably what has trashed your disk. Windows is automatically set up in a way to disable the automatic defragmentation utility right after it recognizes it's installed on an SSD.
I dont know for sure, I just know the Optimize Drives exists, and it lists when it was last run. Everyones windows is like this, nothing new. Could be that i defraged by mistake, but how can i do that?

heres article about it: https://lifehacker.com/windows-does-defragment-ssds-but-its-okay-1666753409
 
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Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post

Well there you go, it should never have done that....that's probably what has trashed your disk. Windows is automatically set up in a way to disable the automatic defragmentation utility right after it recognizes it's installed on an SSD.
Not true. Windows "optimize" does a weekly retrim and monthly defrag (to avoid potential errors with highly fragmented files) if you have automatic system restore point creation enabled. These are SSD aware operations Windows only does with SSDs afaik.
 
#12 ·
Firstly, the Creators update has nothing to do with your SSD health at all.

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Originally Posted by Megadrone View Post

Cant boot up fast, and things disappears, and not operating right. I check the sandisk software and its showing poor health. Never had this before, 3 year old SSD, what should i expect to happen next? Do i need to replace immediatly? Can it wait a couple of weeks?
Run CrystalDisk Info. It'll paint a better picture.

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Originally Posted by Gunderman456 View Post

Back-up important things if you need to wait.
This.

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You must NEVER, EVER DEFRAG an SSD. If the disk is causing issues @ normal computer usage and the diagnostic software (you can also try SSDLife) report it's health status as "poor" then it's dead/about to die very soon.
Not true. You can defrag an SSD - but it will be pointless and only cause wear on it. Not much wear in the grand-scheme of things, but needless wear.

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Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post

Well there you go, it should never have done that....that's probably what has trashed your disk. Windows is automatically set up in a way to disable the automatic defragmentation utility right after it recognizes it's installed on an SSD.
Windows Optimize does not defrag SSDs. It's another name for garbage collection.

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heres what the SMART diagnostics is giving me about the disk. Is it over for it?
Might as well get another one. Those 3 bad "sectors" are probably meaning that you are eating into your over-provisioned storage of the SSD now.
 
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Defrag wont kill an SSD, i mean a few times. Not recent SSDs at least. I had to say this, my bad.
 
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Might as well get another one. Those 3 bad "sectors" are probably meaning that you are eating into your over-provisioned storage of the SSD now.
I think it says 11 bad sectors not 3.



Oddly enough, it shows it healthy with CrystalDiskInfo, but its own manufacturers software shows it poor health. but it also lists my mechanical storage drive as "caution" with yellow circle. So now im confused. But i know something is wrong because windows is behaving strange and slow.
 
#15 ·
Everything you are doing right now is making it worst!

That drive is dying. Any interaction with it only increases the likelihood of death.

Stop whatever you are doing and back up any important data.

As mentioned before, it could die any second (or a year from now) - better safe than to lose it all while looking at the SMART status.
 
#16 ·
There are a lot of extreme statements in this thread....just backup your important whatevers and replace the SSD with another storage device as soon as possible. It may enter a read only mode immediately or just stop responding.

I believe the only way to defragment an SSD in Windows 10 is to do it through command line...which you're probably not doing. Optimizing the SSD is not the same as defragmenting it in the Windows sense.

Windows schedules an Optimization for installed disks but they often fail or are never attempted. Don't rely on this.
 
#17 ·
Ive backed up the SSD to my other storage drive but the CrystalDiskInfo says my backup drive is not in good health. So which drive works and which doesn't? No point backing up to another broken drive although the odds of both failing at the same time is too unbelievable.
 
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Originally Posted by Megadrone View Post

Ive backed up the SSD to my other storage drive but the CrystalDiskInfo says my backup drive is not in good health. So which drive works and which doesn't? No point backing up to another broken drive although the odds of both failing at the same time is too unbelievable.
Check the status of the drives with another tool. CrystalDiskInfo may be reporting incorrectly.

What does Command Prompts "wmic diskdrive get status" say?
Try Passmark DiskCheckup.
Do the drive manufacturers have tools to check drive status?
 
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Originally Posted by Megadrone View Post

I think it says 11 bad sectors not 3.

Oddly enough, it shows it healthy with CrystalDiskInfo, but its own manufacturers software shows it poor health. but it also lists my mechanical storage drive as "caution" with yellow circle. So now im confused. But i know something is wrong because windows is behaving strange and slow.
You actually probably are fine. Reading bad sectors is extremely unreliable for SSDs for obvious reasons. I had my SSDs think it had something like 300 bad sectors at one point. If you wanna replace it - up to you. Might as well for peace-of-mind and due to its age.

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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

Check the status of the drives with another tool. CrystalDiskInfo may be reporting incorrectly.

What does Command Prompts "wmic diskdrive get status" say?
Try Passmark DiskCheckup.
Do the drive manufacturers have tools to check drive status?
I've found CDI to be pretty damn accurate so far. Also yeah, I would check that other drive out. SMART data is much more useful/accurate for HDDs.
 
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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

Check the status of the drives with another tool. CrystalDiskInfo may be reporting incorrectly.

What does Command Prompts "wmic diskdrive get status" say?
Try Passmark DiskCheckup.
Do the drive manufacturers have tools to check drive status?
wmic says all ok

heres the drive manufacturers tool for my second drive i want to use as backup that CrystalDiskInfo sad was a bad drive:



should I do extended tests for this drive? I imagine its similar to Windows error-checking from disk management that takes hours to finish.

contradictory information everywhere but event viewer gives errors for "The device, \Device\Harddisk1\DR1, has a bad block." ---- this could be my SSD or my storage. who knows.

But i trust myself, and i can tell windows is acting weird with icons disappears and reappearing, that tells me SSD is failing.
 
#21 ·
It was likely failing before but the update (which moves a LOT of stuff around and writes a lot of stuff too) likely pushed it over the edge. Backup whatever you can and replace it ASAP. There is nothing you can do to fix it. A failed drive is a failed drive. Just like a cracked engine black is cracked. It is no good regardless.
 
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im backing up now, but the drive and windows are very unresponsive. I thought SSDs were better than this. They should make an SSD that never fails. How do i know though if my secondary drive is failing or not? The SSD is easy since i can feel it, but the second one is just storage.
 
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Originally Posted by Blaze051806 View Post

i have 4 SSDs and a m.2 drive and i checked mine. it on a weekly schedule but also say NEVER RUN next to it. what he said is right if windows detects its SSD based it will cancel the defrag. i guess your windows failed to cancel
It says MEVER RUN for USB but not for SSD.Even though windows does recognize the media type as SSD.

I check examples on the web, and they too dont have the NEVER RUN (Optimization not avaliable) next to it, heres an example, not mine:



having tough time backing up, windows is refusing to copy/paste. So weird.
 
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Originally Posted by Blaze051806 View Post

i have 4 SSDs and a m.2 drive and i checked mine. it on a weekly schedule but also say NEVER RUN next to it. what he said is right if windows detects its SSD based it will cancel the defrag. i guess your windows failed to cancel
It says MEVER RUN for USB but not for SSD.Even though windows does recognize the media type as SSD.

I check examples on the web, and they too dont have the NEVER RUN (Optimization not avaliable) next to it, heres an example, not mine:



having tough time backing up, windows is refusing to copy/paste. So weird.
Optimization =/= defrag. It's just a scheduled TRIM. TRIM normally takes into effect within minutes if not seconds anyway.

I have been running my SSDs since early 2012 with no TRIM, no sleep, almost on 24/7, RAID0 and optimization on. They are still fine.

Similarly I have had my P4 SSD in my tablet been running since mid-2010 without any issues.

If you want to check TRIM is working on a drive properly:
http://blog.thecybershadow.net/2012/12/09/ssd-trim-check-tool/
 
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