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The missus and I are planning to upgrade/sidegrade our rigs simultaneously somewhere mid this year. Been trying to come up with a suitable upgrade path incorporating the Ryzen R5 1600X's

So far my parts list looks like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($359.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: MSI CORE FROZR L 71.3 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $89.00)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($228.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($169.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For $260.00)
Storage: Seagate IronWolf 1TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 Nano 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (Purchased For $340.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 Nano 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (Purchased For $340.00)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.00 @ PLE Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $239.00)
Total: $2129.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-23 23:11 AEST+1000

Bear in mind prices are in AUD. The thing I am trying to decide between is which motherboard to go with, the options we have are:
Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard: $228AUD
MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON AMD X370: $269AUD
Gigabyte GA-AX370-GAMING-5 AM4 motherboard: $295AUD

The RAM I've chosen is on the QVL for at least the MSI board and is known to work I think. Any advice is appreciated.
post #2 of 18
If you're going to drop $170 on RAM make sure it is either on the motherboard memory QVL for 3200MHz or is Samsung B-die (usually DDR4 3200MHz CL14 or DDR4 3600MHz+). The alternative is buying GSkill FlareX DDR4 3200MHz CL14 for certainty

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X370-PRO/HelpDesk_QVL/ , direct link http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_X370-PRO/PRIME_X370-PRO_Memory_QVL_20170406.PDF
^ CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 is the one listed

ASUS is much slower to update the QVL so check https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/asus-prime-x370-pro-am4-1156996.html#9.0
^ CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 running DDR4 3200MHz on BIOS 0604

https://msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON.html#support-mem
^ bunch of kits

http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#support-doc , direct link http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-ax370-Gaming5.pdf
^ Corsair kits and Gskill kits listed, among others with the CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 listed and some Corsair DDR4 3200MHz CL16 (likely Hynix)

* see also http://www.overclock.net/t/1627555/ryzen-memory-ic-collection-thread

The MSI X370 Pro Carbon is a poor value unless you want a second M.2 SSD slot , IMO. The component quality on the Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 is the best of the three (audio in particular), but only marginally better than the ASUS X370 Prime Pro in terms of power delivery (and DualBIOs , power/reset/clearCMOS buttons , debug LED are always useful). If you can find the memory on the QVL for about the price difference it may be worth it to buy the X370 Gaming 5.

Also the CPU Can be dropped down to Ryzen 5 1600 if you plan on manually overclocking.

Unless you really love MSI or something the MSI CORE FROZR L is nowhere near $89.00. It's at best a $50 cooler. There may a hefty Aussie premium involved because pcpartpicker shows a Cryorig H5 as $69 AUD , NH-U12S as $89 AUD and NH-U14S as $95 AUD.
Edited by AlphaC - 4/23/17 at 8:20am
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post #3 of 18
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Hi AlphaC,

Thanks for taking the time to respond! Yeah I am leaning towards the Gigabyte myself but it is the most expensive out of the 3, but who knows maybe it'll drop in price in a couple of months. The specific memory kit I was looking at was CMK16GX4M2B3200C16. The G.Skill Flare X's (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) are quite a bit more expensive at $269 AUD. The only thing I'm wondering at the moment is, I've got a gigabyte motherboard at the moment and they're pretty "strict" in terms of how much you can OC the motherboard (as in if they list 3200MHz then thats the max, and they rarely let you go past unless with a different revision of the motherboard). What about MSI and ASUS?

With regards to the MSI cooler, I've already gotten it and its running quite nicely in my system at the moment. I got it almost specifically because it had support for AMA4, I've also got a Noctua NH-U14S in the other rig, so we'll need to get the AM4 brackets for that.
post #4 of 18
For RAM overclock it has more to do with the RAM you get along with the CPU's IMC (integrated memory controller). RAM is highly binned so there is a low amount of overclocking potential for sticks sold with lower speeds.

Compatibility will depend also with the motherboard BIOS.
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post #5 of 18
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Yeah thats what I'm thinking, because I've got a pair of Gskil F4-3333C16D-16GVK at the moment and i've had to set it to run at 3200MHz since thats what my motherboard supports. MSI seems to list 3200+ which makes me think if I spring for one of those 3600 or 4000 kits, future bios updates might make them run at those speeds. I think at the moment the best balance between features and prices seems to be the ASUS PRIME X370-PRO unless things drastically change in the next month or so.

Would it be worth getting the MSI though for that RAM compatibility in the future?
post #6 of 18
The MSI Ti also uses Niko FET's, which I would avoid. They work well when they work, but they have a pretty poor history of staying that way.

Edit: Just keep an eye out on what VRM's are being put into the board. This thread can help you with that:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1623547/amd-ryzen-motherboard-thread
    
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What are you wanting to get out of X370 ? I see you are using R9's, and crossfire is supported on B350 and X370. I have a B350 running a gtx 1080, 32GB of memory, NVME Samsung Pro. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. With the current overclocking headroom in its current state I don't see the benefits of the x370 for gaming.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Motherboards/AMD-Supports-CrossFire-B350-and-X370-Chipsets-However-SLI-Limited-X370
     
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What are you wanting to get out of X370 ? I see you are using R9's, and crossfire is supported on B350 and X370. I have a B350 running a gtx 1080, 32GB of memory, NVME Samsung Pro. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. With the current overclocking headroom in its current state I don't see the benefits of the x370 for gaming.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Motherboards/AMD-Supports-CrossFire-B350-and-X370-Chipsets-However-SLI-Limited-X370

It seems like from what I can tell, all B350 boards have their second PCIe x16 run through the chipset at PCIe 2.0 (x4) speeds. Which is bad for dual GPUs? I mean according to TPU it's still 94% or something but that's assuming I don't saturate the chipset link too. M


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Except for the MSI B350 Pro Carbon, the B350 boards' CPU VRM is notably weaker than X370 counterparts. Given that an X370 board is maybe $150-200 and a B350 board ranges for $100-140 for a decent one (i.e. not the $70-80 B350 boards with no VRM heatsink , no USB 3.1 Gen 2, and only ALC 887) I wouldn't try to cut costs there.

AM4 is a longterm socket that supposedly extends to 2020 so you really don't want to go for the cheapest available board. Ideally you want the features that will make it last at least til Zen + or a Ryzen revision.
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It seems like from what I can tell, all B350 boards have their second PCIe x16 run through the chipset at PCIe 2.0 (x4) speeds. Which is bad for dual GPUs? I mean according to TPU it's still 94% or something but that's assuming I don't saturate the chipset link too. M


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I'm not sure if that's accurate. I read that the difference is 8 lanes on the x370 vs 6 on the B350.
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Except for the MSI B350 Pro Carbon, the B350 boards' CPU VRM is notably weaker than X370 counterparts. Given that an X370 board is maybe $150-200 and a B350 board ranges for $100-140 for a decent one (i.e. not the $70-80 B350 boards with no VRM heatsink , no USB 3.1 Gen 2, and only ALC 887) I wouldn't try to cut costs there.

AM4 is a longterm socket that supposedly extends to 2020 so you really don't want to go for the cheapest available board. Ideally you want the features that will make it last at least til Zen + or a Ryzen revision.

But can you confirm the differences between the two in comparison of cross fire performance? I just did some reading and all I saw was that the PCIE lanes. 8 on x370 and 6 on B350.
     
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