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Hello. I am relatively new to overclocking. I used only old builds in past so I could not do anything about it. Overclocking on old systems won't help and I understood that pretty quickly(by burning an dual Athlon on a cheap Foxconn rolleyes.gif)

Now I guess I have a "decent" system and I try to push the bars a bit by overclocking my 860K. I've saw in other parts of the Internet that pushing it to 4.2 its pretty norm and beyond that its a matter of your build. I am not able to even have a stable 4 GHz, because once I do raise the multiplier, the Aero mode disables itself and the Client Server Runtime process uses 100% of GPU.

It is not clear to me how the overclocked CPU brings about graphical instability. Well certainly it has to do with power consumption I believe, but 600 W would be more than necessary I suppose.

In the Radeon utility such behavior is not reported, but while in game I experience massive frame drop and cannot hold a proper session in these circumstances.

I wonder therefore if is a bus limitation or the fact that I did not pump NB voltages to give it the proper initiative.

I would like to know if someone can help, so I will share my current specs:


Video: Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 380 Nitro 4GB GDDR5
Power: Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt
Processor: AMD Athlon X4 860K
RAM: HyperX FURY Series DDR3 1866MHz
Mobo: ASUS A88XM-A


Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by j0wn3z View Post

Hello. I am relatively new to overclocking. I used only old builds in past so I could not do anything about it. Overclocking on old systems won't help and I understood that pretty quickly(by burning an dual Athlon on a cheap Foxconn rolleyes.gif)

Now I guess I have a "decent" system and I try to push the bars a bit by overclocking my 860K. I've saw in other parts of the Internet that pushing it to 4.2 its pretty norm and beyond that its a matter of your build. I am not able to even have a stable 4 GHz, because once I do raise the multiplier, the Aero mode disables itself and the Client Server Runtime process uses 100% of GPU.

It is not clear to me how the overclocked CPU brings about graphical instability. Well certainly it has to do with power consumption I believe, but 600 W would be more than necessary I suppose.

In the Radeon utility such behavior is not reported, but while in game I experience massive frame drop and cannot hold a proper session in these circumstances.

I wonder therefore if is a bus limitation or the fact that I did not pump NB voltages to give it the proper initiative.

I would like to know if someone can help, so I will share my current specs:


Video: Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 380 Nitro 4GB GDDR5
Power: Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt
Processor: AMD Athlon X4 860K
RAM: HyperX FURY Series DDR3 1866MHz
Mobo: ASUS A88XM-A


Thanks in advance!

4.2Ghz is not norm, 4.0Ghz is the norm on these CPUs. Generally speaking, raising the multiplier past a certain point (different for every CPU/mobo combination) goes hand in hand with raise in the voltage and improved cooling.
If you CPU is not fed enough voltage for 4.2Ghz, or gets too hot, all kinds of instabilities are possible, including in rare cases graphical glitches. The CPU processes everything, including the requests sent to the GPU. If it malfunctions, it can misread data from RAM, send wrong stuff to the GPU for rendering, it could mess up a number of things.
You PSU should be plenty for that system, as far as power rating is concerned. How clean the voltage is - that's a whole other story.
Have you touched your voltages, and what do you use for cooling?
But keep in mind that you are running 4+1 phase, Uncooled VRM motherboard - do not expect OC miracles from it.

My advice is - keep the CPU at 4.0, don't try to push 4.2 on that mobo. It could even be dangerous.
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I have Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo for cooling. My temperatures were normal. And yea I pumped a notch on voltages for that but still maybe its not the right voltage? I am unsure. I also read somewhere else that some FM2/FM2+ might not overclock CPU over 75 W. If that is the case with my then I will probably give it a rest, but for now I am still not sure.
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I have Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo for cooling. My temperatures were normal. And yea I pumped a notch on voltages for that but still maybe its not the right voltage? I am unsure. I also read somewhere else that some FM2/FM2+ might not overclock CPU over 75 W. If that is the case with my then I will probably give it a rest, but for now I am still not sure.

Well, 4+1 uncooled is pretty skimmy VRM, and that coupled with Hyper 212 mean no airflow on those MOSFETS. That would be the core of your problems. Don't push it further, you may lose the mobo.
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Yeah, there is a motherboard problem. I built 2 rigs using the 7850K on the ASUS A88X Pro. It has heat sinks and a heat pipe. I just set it to "performance" mode in the bios and they both went to 4.2 ghz. Been running like that for years.
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I just don't know all those option in AI Tweaker in BIOS. Especially the ones in CPU configuration. I remember the previous owner of this build claiming to have it ran at 4.2 GHz but I forgot to ask him how he got it. I think it is possible but maybe I am doing things wrong...
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I just don't know all those option in AI Tweaker in BIOS. Especially the ones in CPU configuration. I remember the previous owner of this build claiming to have it ran at 4.2 GHz but I forgot to ask him how he got it. I think it is possible but maybe I am doing things wrong...

Well you can always search for guides, but most of the time those "extra" options won't give you much extra, these K chips OC with multi and core voltage, but, and my apologies for repeating myself so often - regardless of what the previous owner claims, I strongly advice against pushing above 4Ghz on that mobo. Especially with a tower cooler, those MOSFETs are getting heavy load and 0 airflow, something bad is bound to happen. Better stay safe at 4Ghz, the performance gain from 4.0 to 4.2 is minuscule and definitely not worth the risk of losing your motherboard.
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