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The Seasonic S12II are group regulated which means the 12v 5v and 3,3v rails are treated as one big group so when you draw power from one of the rails it draws power from all of the rails
This means that voltage regulation suffers

The CX the Vengeance and the S12G have individually regulated rails which means when power is needed it draws what it needs not from all of the rails at the same time which means voltage regulation is a lot better

If you are overclocking better voltage regulation means higher better and more stable overclocks, a group regulated unit on the other hand would be holding the overclocking back.
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post #12 of 26
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Thank you for an explanation on the voltage regulation part, so it means I'm down to these:

CX 650 = 67 Eur.
CX 550W = 57 Eur

Would rather go for 67 eur, 10 eur isn't a problem.

And V500 500W for 74eur. if they'll really sell it to me at that price, which likely won't happen. (online shops make pricing mistakes constantly, around here).

....so this one looks like best solution for both overclocks and futureproofing, given the 70-75 eur budget, right? (V500 aside).
http://www.kurpirkt.lv/cena.php?q=Corsair++CX+650W

Or based on the post below, it's this ^ thing vs S12ii, both at exact same price.
Edited by Knjaz136 - 4/25/17 at 2:49am
post #13 of 26

The job of the PSU is to take the super unstable Alternating Current (AC) that's coming out of the wall outlet and turn it into much more stable Direct Current (DC). It is *also* supposed to split that power up into different voltages as accurately as possible: 12V, 5V and 3.3V (to be as simple as possible). These are voltages that the different parts of a computer needs.

 

So, group-regulating is ok, but not great because that can result in one of those voltages being less accurate than the others and there's nothing that can be done about it. With individual regulation, the manufacturer can at least work towards improving voltage regulation for each voltage. Fortunately, SeaSonic's group regulation isn't exactly bad. :)

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post #14 of 26
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Thank you for an explanation on the voltage regulation part, so it means I'm down to these:

CX650M = 67 Eur.
CX 550W = 57 Eur

Would rather go for 67 eur, 10 eur isn't a problem.

And V500 500W for 74eur. if they'll really sell it to me at that price, which likely won't happen. (online shops make pricing mistakes constantly, around here).

....so this one looks like best solution for both overclocks and futureproofing, given the 70-75 eur budget, right? (V500 aside).
http://www.kurpirkt.lv/cena.php?q=Corsair++CX+650W

Or based on the post below, it's this ^ thing vs S12ii, both at exact same price.

 

Can you link to just the PSUs in general? I can't figure out how to browse their PSUs.

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post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by Knjaz136 View Post

Thank you for an explanation on the voltage regulation part, so it means I'm down to these:

CX 650W = 67 Eur.
CX 550W = 57 Eur

Would rather go for 67 eur, 10 eur isn't a problem.

And V500 500W for 74eur. if they'll really sell it to me at that price, which likely won't happen. (online shops make pricing mistakes constantly, around here).

....so this one looks like best solution for both overclocks and futureproofing, given the 70-75 eur budget, right? (V500 aside).
http://www.kurpirkt.lv/cena.php?q=Corsair++CX+650W
Reason why the Vengeance cost so much more is because unlike the CX it uses all japanese capacitors where the CX uses chinese Capxons
There is some doubt as to how long Capxons can last so if you want better capacitors the Vengeance is the better option

The Vengeance is also multi rail where the CX is single rail and if you dont know what thats means here
http://www.overclock.net/t/761202/single-rail-vs-multi-rail-explained
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post #16 of 26
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It's Eastern Europe, no such functionality on our "get data from all shops" list biggrin.gif

You just type in PSU model and it shows you prices at different shops.
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It's Eastern Europe, no such functionality on our "get data from all shops" list biggrin.gif

You just type in PSU model and it shows you prices at different shops.

 

Oh.

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post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Reason why the Vengeance cost so much more is because unlike the CX it uses all japanese capacitors where the CX uses chinese Capxons
There is some doubt as to how long Capxons can last so if you want better capacitors the Vengeance is the better option

The Vengeance is also multi rail where the CX is single rail and if you dont know what thats means here
http://www.overclock.net/t/761202/single-rail-vs-multi-rail-explained

So basically I get more precise voltage (CX-650W) on each different PC part vs the better longevity of the Seasonic S12II capacitors (those are japanese from what I get), choosing between those 2 PSU's, right?
Edited by Knjaz136 - 4/25/17 at 2:57am
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Sory you totally lost me now.
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So basically I get more precise voltage on each different PC part vs the better longevity of the Seasonic capacitors, choosing between those 2 PSU's, right?

And either case is lightyears ahead ofthe junk I'm currently sitting with.

 

Yeah these *should* be way better. The Inter-Tech Energon strikes me as being the kind of a PSU that should be avoided at all costs.

 

But yeah, the better the PSU is, the better the voltage accuracy and stability is (the better the regulation and ripple suppression is). Since AC power is always rippling, that must be suppressed so that it doesn't kill the computer's sensitive micro electronics.

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