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I use Sophos home, it's the least intrusive AV. I pair it with MalwareBytes.

edit : IMO.
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I use Sophos home, it's the least intrusive AV. I pair it with MalwareBytes.

Are you claiming that Sophos doesn't nuke PC's? Because the post immediately before shows that Sophos is no different.
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Are you claiming that Sophos doesn't nuke PC's? Because the post immediately before shows that Sophos is no different.

None of them "nuke PCs"......At least not on purpose. Many of these companies release definitions once or twice a day. Its really hard to test for problems with that rapid of updates.
    
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None of them "nuke PCs"......At least not on purpose. Many of these companies release definitions once or twice a day. Its really hard to test for problems with that rapid of updates.

Some update far more often. Avast updates hundreds of times a day. But if you're going to make frequent updates a "selling" point then you better make sure your testing is brilliant, because "it's too hard" is not an excuse for delivering on a core feature. If you can't do it, don't do it.
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Are you claiming that Sophos doesn't nuke PC's? Because the post immediately before shows that Sophos is no different.
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Sophos issued an update to fix the problem within a few hours and said that the issue only affected a specific 32-bit version of Windows 7 SP1 and not Windows XP, Vista, 8 or 10.

Basically it only affected windows 7 versions with SP1 in 32-bit. I consider that a very, very low amount of users since SP3 exists (thus SP2 too).
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I still stand by Forticlient for light weight real-time protection. It filters websites too which is a plus.
    
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Nothing beats good ol fashion weekly backups. I however do remember the days of Windows XP when as soon as you started up the internet without A/V within 10 mins of browsing your PC was zombified and almost useless. Its like using a condom. Yea you maybe able to get by in life without a STD without out one but all it takes is one burn and it could be the life changer.
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At best when enterprise Firewalls are working normally things are great, that said when Checkpoint which is what we used had rulesets opened in a broad sense and were screwed up on the Provider (I assume you know what that is) we had problems. By and large nothing got through our Firewalls until People started asking for Entire swaths of port ranges opened as their new Linux & Windows servers/software wouldn't work in the dev environment. Mgmt gets tired of hearing about "We cannot do our job as the Netsec team has our new servers locked down in the DMZ/Dev/Prod areas"

People Open the firewalls, people screw up and don't clean up firewall rules not in use in 90 days. We had tons of SOX requirements that finally helped to close some of these gaps by putting some audit weight behind it. so your best case scenario is great until NAT tables get full because "people" werent watching the charts which were very clear. Also How many times we found holes punched in our Network as the eComm team didnt want to go through a Firewall at all...People.

And yeah, 21 years in IT Operations, and leading the MIRT (Major Incident Response Team, 13K incidents over the last 8-9 years) and travelling yearly to Stirling forest IBM to their BCRS facility to restore revenue generating systems 500+ servers. Fun. change control ITIL, all the usual stuff and running the 8:30am Intl Ops conf call with all IT departments to keep everyone on the same page about pending Inventories etc, "so don't touch those systems this week".

Thats all I did...Oh yeah, and oncall every 3rd week which was typically an 80 hour week cause our IT staff could not wait to change something without knowing the other things it would break. Loved the outsourcing as well and cleanup we had to do...constantly. 

All that BS almost makes you appreciate UPnP even though how insecure it can be. I'm no networking guru but am currently taking the Network+ course on Udemy and TBH I kind of like it even if it is daunting at times. The home office environment is a world apart from the corporate one.redface.gif
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Basically it only affected windows 7 versions with SP1 in 32-bit. I consider that a very, very low amount of users since SP3 exists (thus SP2 too).
This is old news but still...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/20/sophos_auto_immune_update_chaos/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Sophos-Antivirus-Exploit-Tavis-Ormandy-sophail,news-16279.html


I will not judge specific antivirus companies nor support one.

I know its a difficult task but I think A/V companies have lost the way. Its all about the money now. We see zero day attacks , randsomware , adwares and other malicious items get into your computer and still they advertise that they are the "complete" solution to everything.
A little more humble would not hurt.
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This is old news but still...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/20/sophos_auto_immune_update_chaos/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Sophos-Antivirus-Exploit-Tavis-Ormandy-sophail,news-16279.html


I will not judge specific antivirus companies nor support one.

I know its a difficult task but I think A/V companies have lost the way. Its all about the money now. We see zero day attacks , randsomware , adwares and other malicious items get into your computer and still they advertise that they are the "complete" solution to everything.
A little more humble would not hurt.

I never said it was perfect, I never implied it either, I only stated it was IMO the least intrusive, which is irrelevant to what I feel you think I'm saying. I never get any popups, I never anything, just a silent protection that I can control via a web interface on all PCs I have it installed on. That means I can check my parents PC from 600 miles away without needing to log on their pc smile.gif
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