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Someone call Bonzi Buddy.
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This has happened to pretty much every AV vendor I can think of. Can you post in the OP how quickly they fixed it? A record time of 18 minutes!

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Avast is the same...
Bought the Pro version for Win7 the Firewall had every darn connection to Microsoft and Nvidea needed or not was open.
But a couple of my online games stopped working as Avast didn't allow them to connect thru the firewall?

Had to uninstall the Avast in order to any use of the game computer and still needed to reinstall the World of Warships, with a hefty 4GB+10GB downloads.
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Usually, viruses have symptoms...such as a slow as hell computer...or an "FBI" warning telling you that you have to pay $ to unlock your computer, unusually high CPU usage for the tasks being performed (such as idling) unusual traffic passing through your modem (resulting in slow for no reason internet), etc.

If you're relatively well versed in these things you can get a general feel for how your computer runs virus free compared to when something is wrong. Through diagnosis of the issue you root out whether it's a virus/malware problem so it's not unfeasible that you could "eyeball it" though you need to have good internet surfing and downloading practices along with adblockers+friends to be relatively secure.

Most viruses these days get on your computer because you screwed up and downloaded something you shouldn't have or by clicking hyper links in your emails.
Everything else is just mal/spyware which accumulates due to not using a good adblocker+visiting websites that don't screen the people renting billboard space on their banners.

Of course there's always exceptions, such as living in China and plugging in USB drives from people who clearly have no idea how to responsibly handle a computer.

+1

This all day long. Well said.

I haven't used an AV in since I moved from XP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit. I personally look at AV software as nag-ware that does nothing for me or my personal computer use. Their as annoying as any virus I could ever catch. And sometimes I do every 2 or 3 years.

But I also have backups. So whatever...
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I always go by "It's better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it". The one thing I've learned in my IT career is you can never be 100% secure or safe. All you can do is get as close to 99.9% safe/secure as possible and then have a double or triple backup plan for the rest.

Lightweight AV with multiple daily definition updates.
Lightweight Second Opinion scanner with multiple sources of definitions.
Daily incremental and weekly full backups to NAS folder using a hidden share.
Online backup with 14 revision retention.

All of this takes up less then 200MB of ram and less than 400MB of storage from my C:\.

People seem to forget that there are new online threats emerging almost every minute. It's a free piece of mind to run an AV just to give you a little bit of extra protection.

More power to you if you don't run AV. My system experiences no performance loss running said protection above.
post #76 of 80
Everyone should use an Antivirus. The one windows provides for free is just as good as all the others. Keyloggers can exist and run on your machine with little to no impact. If you plug in a USB into your computer and it embeds a virus on that USB, and then you plug that USB into another computer and it infect them... you are part of the problem. Because you cant see it doesnt mean it does not exist. Same thing goes with, if you have an AV on your computer, doesnt mean you are virus free. But in any case, AV reduces the chances of getting one.

As for home networks, the router doen't forward IP's by default so that blocks a lot of it. If the router is insecure, then they can use that to piggy back from the router to the PC. When talking about corporate environments, they have Ports being forward to servers. Its then on them to setup a proper DMZ and security to ensure that they can only access that one service on that server.

If anything, the majority of the time with a virus IMO, you would and up with a process that would just make http posts and gets anyways. No need for specific ports to be opened or anything if they have already found your way into the PC more likely from a web vulnerability. Once again, corporate and personal are 2 different beasts.
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Everyone should use an Antivirus. The one windows provides for free is just as good as all the others. Keyloggers can exist and run on your machine with little to no impact. If you plug in a USB into your computer and it embeds a virus on that USB, and then you plug that USB into another computer and it infect them... you are part of the problem. Because you cant see it doesnt mean it does not exist. Same thing goes with, if you have an AV on your computer, doesnt mean you are virus free. But in any case, AV reduces the chances of getting one.

As for home networks, the router doen't forward IP's by default so that blocks a lot of it. If the router is insecure, then they can use that to piggy back from the router to the PC. When talking about corporate environments, they have Ports being forward to servers. Its then on them to setup a proper DMZ and security to ensure that they can only access that one service on that server.

If anything, the majority of the time with a virus IMO, you would and up with a process that would just make http posts and gets anyways. No need for specific ports to be opened or anything if they have already found your way into the PC more likely from a web vulnerability. Once again, corporate and personal are 2 different beasts.

For personal use. Enable secure boot. If you know how to read and don't click on any ads or download shady programs you'll be fine. Don't plug in a USB that you find either. Get an adblock/setup your own adblock.

I use Google Play for music. Netflix to stream TV. When I want to see a movie I pay X amount of money for a ticket. I bought MS Office for $9.95 because the company I work for is part of the Home Use Program. When I want to play a certain game I pay X amount of money for it.

I've been removing infections for 6 years now. Ever since Microsoft release of Windows 8 forcing manufacturers to use secure boot, root kits are extremely rare.

Only devastating threats out now are encryption Trojans. They are easy to remove but data becomes useless. When they were first introduced I could easily use shadow copies to recover data. I could also change the extension of the file back to the correct extension.

Other garbage ransomware just opens a JPEG file at startup.

For someone who has important data utilize the cloud. Something like crashplan/carbonite.
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My parents are on webroot....Great...

hahah have you gotten the call yet?
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There's always some relative that comes with that usual crap "So my Google disappeared and there's this Baidu antivirus thing..."

Goddang I struggle with these question from relatives. The other day a relative was insisting they were using Google Chrome even though I knew they were using Firefox - they were working on the fact that www.google.com was the default home page for the browser, therefor must be Google's browser.
At one point I was yelled at "I CAN [explative] SEE THE WORD GOOGLE AS SOON AS I OPEN IT. ITS [explative] GOOGLE CHROME"
After a brief ELI5 explanation of how webbrowsers, websites and urls work, we managed to agree, but holy jesus it was very difficult.

Confident idiots.... sigh....
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hahah have you gotten the call yet?

Not a problem yet! I'm assuming all the PCs were off when the update hit.
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