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I am considering giving my home server some extra responsibilities, mostly related to media. I currently have a late 90s 5.1 channel audio system, which is bulky and power-hungry. I generally don't need all of the inputs it has to offer anymore, so I'm beginning to question how much I really still need it. Note that I do not play my audio all that loud, so wattage shouldn't be a big deal. Anyway since my server is always on and in the same room as the speakers, I figured why not have that act as the amplifier. I was thinking of using the 5.25" bay(s) as the place to slot the amplifier.


I've found this to be very difficult to research, possibly because I don't really know the right way to look it up. I know Scythe makes products similar to what I'm looking for, but they usually include a bunch of random crap I don't care about, and they don't support what I do want (like 6 channels).

I would be perfectly ok with buying one that isn't meant to be put in a PC and modify it so it will. Though, I'm not really sure where to look when it comes to finding hardware that will fit inside 3.25x5.75" or 6.5x5.75", and, uses a 12v input.



Any thoughts or suggestions? And yes - if I go through with this, I will upgrade my PSU.
   
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What's your budget?

There are plenty of small 12V speaker amps built for cars and other things, but finding a 6 channel one that's cheaper than a whole receiver might be tricky.
Edited by brucethemoose - 4/25/17 at 1:29pm
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Right now budget isn't a major factor, but I guess I'd like it to be below $200. I'm not expecting anything very high-power, and SPDIF support is more of a "that would be nice" kind of thing rather than a necessity; I could just have the server process digital signals if I really needed it to (though currently I'm not exactly sure how to get Linux to convert a DD/DTS input signal to be 5.1 analog surround). In other words, I don't expect my needs to be very expensive.

Since I am pretty much just working with analog signals, I could probably get away with 3 separate stereo amplifiers, but I'd rather avoid that if possible.

I'd like to see various options. I've thought about car amps, but as you pointed out, working with 6 channels could be a problem.
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This is closer. Still too big and overpowered, but getting there:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01DQYMDBU/

And you could just get a separate external soundcard and hook it up to the internal SPIDF header on your mobo.



Still... You need to ask yourself, is the space really that important? Because an average home-theatre receiver is going to work and sound much better for less money tongue.gif
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Damn that thing is powerful, and like you said, too big to fit. That's otherwise pretty much what I'd expect, though I prefer the dials in the front and all I/O connections in the back.

I'm not an audiophile, and like I said before, I'm not expecting some serious output. My subwoofer, for example, uses some small cheap $20 amp and it still sounds good enough for my needs. I'm well aware this idea will not yield the best results, and arguably worse than what I use now. But consider what my current sound system does now:
* It has several various input sources
* It has a built-in dedicated power source to deliver "clean" electricity
* It has a digital processor for DD/DTS signals
* Can be operated remotely
* It has high-quality amplifiers for a clean audio signal

My PC can be all of those things except the last one. The way I see it, all I need is a better PSU and a well-shielded 6-channel amplifier that fits within the specified dimensions, and then my current surround system is pretty much obsolete. Since I don't intend to play audio loud enough to shake the floors, I shouldn't need any amplifiers that involve beefy transistors and a few pounds worth of heatsinks, so I should be able to use something small enough and not really sacrifice quality.


I'm not sure I understand what you suggest the external sound card is for. The problem is getting the OS to decode a DD/DTS signal. I'm sure it's possible but I haven't really looked into it much yet.



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I'll take a closer look at that list a little later. Seems like it might come in handy.
   
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The soundcard was just for surround encoding over SPIDF, as they usually come with a license for it. And that's just for cramming 6 channel audio over an SPIDF connection (which only supports 2.0).

Ideally, you'd use something that uses HDMI or USB instead of SPIDF so A: you wouldn't have to encode on Linux (which might be tricky) and B: you don't lose quality from compressing everything to 2 channel DTS.




As for decoding (not encoding) a video file to analog surround, MPV can do that just fine. And if you're using anything other than an MPV based video player on Linux (or one of the front-ends like MPC-QT), I will beat you with a stick tongue.gif
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I think there's a little bit of confusion in terminology here. When I say de/encoding, I'm referring to the way the audio signal is processed over the cable, not from the source file. In order words if I'm watching a 5.1 channel movie, the procedure goes as follow:
1. Decode the movie for the computer to interpret the audio source (which I can currently do just fine). This seems to be what you are referring to.
2. The sound card then has to encode the audio in a compressed signal format that is compliant with DD/DTS (that too I have no problems with).
3. The sound receiver then decodes that signal.

That being said, in the event I get an amplifier that doesn't support SPDIF, the server will have to assume the role of step 3. I am currently not aware of Linux being able to decode a DD/DTS signal from the SPDIF input source, though I don't see why it can't either (since it does support SPDIF input).

Does that make sense? Regardless - this is a separate problem that I'll have to deal with later. Right now my main objective is figuring out what amplifiers to use.
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#1 depends on the source. All the blu-rays I ripped myself are already DTS encoded, meaning that (ideally) the media player just passes the pure, unadulterated signal to your receiver over SPIDF without encoding/decoding anything. However, if you're playing a game, that's uncompressed 6 channel audio. That's when your soundcard has to encode it for the signal to fit over SPIDF, and again, this is a lossy process.


If you don't have a receiver with spidf, a good linux media player can decode surround audio just fine. You don't have to worry about that.
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/1986
Edited by brucethemoose - 4/25/17 at 7:39pm
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