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In 1992, a group of archaeologists found something extraordinary buried below a sound berm next to the San Diego freeway in Southern California. They had been called in during a freeway renovation to do some excavation because the fossil-laced earth of the California coast often yields scientific treasures. After digging about three meters below the construction area, Center for American Paleolithic Research archaeologist Steve Holen was deep into a pristine layer of soil that hadn't been disturbed for millennia. There, he found what appeared to be an abandoned campsite, where humans had left stone tools and hammered mastodon bones behind. This wasn't too unusual; it's fairly well-established that humans were hunting mastodons in the Americas as early as 15,000 years ago.

But when Holen's colleagues used several techniques to discover the age of the bones, the numbers sounded crazy. Test after test showed that the bones had been buried more than 100,000 years ago. The result flew in the face of everything we think we know about the spread of humanity across the globe. It took 24 years before Holen and his fellow researchers were certain enough to publish their findings in Nature. Now, based on a reliable dating method using Uranium decay rates and years of repeated tests, the researchers say that an unknown type of early human lived in California roughly 130,000 years ago. If true, it completely changes the story of how humans reached the Americas.

Incredible discovery places humans in California 130,000 years ago


What? What! This is amazing! Completely rewriting the history of human migration! However it should be pointed out that this group is thought to have gone "locally extinct" before the ancestors of the native americans showed up, so their genetic record was not passed on.

It's pretty neat stuff and they took 20 years validating their find before publishing, amazing work! That's real science folks, spending 20 years to verify that something works before publishing it, as opposed to some crackpots and their "free energy" machines.....
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Interesting, wonder how they went extinct since NA is full of easy to kill animals apparently.
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Interesting, wonder how they went extinct since NA is full of easy to kill animals apparently.

This was kind of in the time before the idea of storing food for the winter became a big thing, so a few harsh winters in a row would be enough to kill them off.
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Interesting, wonder how they went extinct since NA is full of easy to kill animals apparently.

probably too small of groups to effectively reproduce quick enough to offset the number of deaths. also, 130,000 years NA was the australia of the world except instead of lots of tiny things trying to kill you, NA had lots of very big things trying to kill you (or thought you would be the perfect snack).
Edited by James296 - 4/26/17 at 2:07pm
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Very cool.

This reminds me of these mind blowing Joe Rogan interviews I watched a little while back. His guests go into this same idea that modern humans have been around for way longer than mainstream history leads us to believe, and the scientific data they bring forth is very hard to dispute.
They are great listens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1s
https://youtu.be/aDejwCGdUV8?t=1s
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Very cool.

This reminds me of these mind blowing Joe Rogan interviews I watched a little while back. His guests go into this same idea that modern humans have been around for way longer than mainstream history leads us to believe, and the scientific data they bring forth is very hard to dispute.
They are great listens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1s
https://youtu.be/aDejwCGdUV8?t=1s

We knew already that Homo Sapiens have been around for 100-150-200,000y from other archaeological findings.
We did not know those people, or some other Homo relative were able to make their way into the Americas that early on, which is a insane migration feat in itself, but how is that related to "modern humans" again?

Or to self-titled "Geomancers" & Sacred Symbol analysts that talk about their beliefs of cataclysmic events that wiped out completely the traces of whole ancient "civilizations", while here we are talking about hunting mastodons and crushing their bones with simple stone tools...no "Deep History" that is forgotten here and in conflict with the mainstream History, just 130,000yo findings matching their contemporary findings elsewhere in the World.

The "scientific data" they bring forth might warrant a few episodes in "Ancient Aliens" but...yeah...
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post #7 of 46

I guess Pangea happened way earlier so is likely not in this conversation.

 

Pangea = Supercontinent 250 million years ago supposedly where there was one large Global Continent prior to the separation of North and South America from Africa/Europe etc... Not sure if they have many guesses about life on the 1 continent back then and if humans were on all fours back then eating bananas...

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Very cool.

This reminds me of these mind blowing Joe Rogan interviews I watched a little while back. His guests go into this same idea that modern humans have been around for way longer than mainstream history leads us to believe, and the scientific data they bring forth is very hard to dispute.
They are great listens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1s
https://youtu.be/aDejwCGdUV8?t=1s
Can't view at work, is that one where he interviews Graham Hancock? They are usually discussing this topic from a completely different angle.
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just read the article.

There are a LOT of leaps of the imagination made in that summery.

1) there are rocks which the archaeologists claim to be human tools. However there is no conclusive proof of it.
2) there are bones of Mammoths (NOT HUMANS), which they claim show signs of human stone tools working on them. Again the number of Mammoth bones found couldn't even make 1 mammoth, and 2 the marks on the bones could have been teeth marks from sabertooth tigers, it's just too old to tell.
3) the site is not arranged like a "camp" it's a scattering of objects, there is no refuse pile (for example)

I don't doubt the claims of the scientists that this is a 150,000 year old site, What I do doubt is that it's a HUMAN camp, as there is scant evidence of man anywhere in that dig site. Granted they're archaeologists and I'm sure they wouldn't make the claim if it wasn't defendable, but it looks pretty thin to me when the number of items excavated from the site is less then 100, most of them being smaller then a hand.

Finally the genealogical record of modern man pretty difinitively points to the sources/tribes and ethnicities of all of the ancient world's people. The native americans almost completely come from a single migration of prehistoric tribesmen from siberia and mongolia (intermingling of both) about 15k years ago. it wasn't a gradual migration either, it apparently happened pretty quick, in a 1000 year window of time, probably only a hundred years or so (though there is no way to be certain) likely crossing from asia to n.america on boats along the edge of the icepack (not over the landbridge), settling in british columbia, then slowly migrating out across the 2 continents over the next 3 or 4 thousand years. their is some mixing with the polynesian people who settled the pac (in western indian tribes), otherwise the genological record is REALLY freaking straight as an arrow and untainted all the way back 15k years.

if there ever was any other humans (or human relatives) in n.america they weren't here when the first settlers made it during the last ice age (or they weren't genetically compatible enough to breed together, which would make them some sort older relative to homo sapiens.)
 
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...That's real science folks, spending 20 years to verify that something works before publishing it, as opposed to some crackpots and their "free energy" machines.....

Or it's proof of the fear scientists have of arguing against the status quo.
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