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ISP's don't block newsgroups, they just don't provide access to them through themselves.
"We don't block Youtube HD. We just don't provide access to it through ourself." Sign up for Gigatube, though, and you can get all that HD goodness!
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IATT was charging extra for privacy even with net neutrality.
That doesn't mean this strategy can't be expanded.
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IAs for the ads and browsers, that's were the beauty of open source comes in.
A certain person in a top position wants to clamp down on open source. Besides, let me know when the masses finally migrate to Linux on the desktop. I will officially eat my shirt. And, really, what's to stop Linux from being marginalized by web content the same way it's marginalized by apps? Can't get AutoCAD on Linux, eh? Can't get this, can't get that.
post #122 of 164
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"We don't block Youtube HD. We just don't provide access to it through ourself." Sign up for Gigatube, though, and you can get all that HD goodness!
That doesn't mean this strategy can't be expanded.
A certain person in a top position wants to clamp down on open source. Besides, let me know when the masses finally migrate to Linux on the desktop. I will officially eat my shirt. And, really, what's to stop Linux from being marginalized by web content the same way it's marginalized by apps? Can't get AutoCAD on Linux, eh? Can't get this, can't get that.


The HD YouTube doesn't make any sense. The ISP doesn't benefit at all from you paying google for HD youtube access....which wouldn't be a violation of net neutrally anyway since YouTube already as subscriber channels that you pay extra for. Paying extra for HD would be no different.


Open source programs are available on Windows too...not just Linux....Firefox...Hello? The web is built on Linux and Unix, why would they block access from Linux?

Seems like you're just trying to come up with things to argue for no reason. I'm for Open everything....I'm a linux user and open source advocate.
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The HD YouTube doesn't make any sense. The ISP doesn't benefit at all from you paying google for HD youtube access....
You really should read my whole list. It will be clear that my example is about the ISP being paid for access to that content. And, even if they don't directly get paid (e.g. Giganews) they still restrict content for profitability purposes. Blocking news is considered profitable which is why ISPs are doing it. Throttling or blocking torrents and newsgroups is a way to please various wealthy interest groups, interest groups that may be somehow in bed with ISPs or influential over them via political machinations.
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Open source programs are available on Windows too...not just Linux....Firefox...Hello?
iOS that's not jailbroken. Hello?

Just because fairly open operating systems have long defined computing doesn't mean we're not moving in the opposite direction. MacOS Sierra, for instance, got rid of the GUI option to open programs from developers that haven't given Apple its payola — or which offer features that Apple has chosen to steal and present as its innovation (e.g. Night Shift versus f.lux).

Windows 10 hasn't exactly been user-friendly in terms of how it handles updates or foisting itself onto people. One can't even run Windows 8.1 on the latest CPUs.
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Seems like you're just trying to come up with things to argue for no reason.
Oh boy, the good ole' reliable ad hom.
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And, really, when we come down to it — how credible is it to claim that it's not possible, or even likely, to mimic much/most of the cable model via the Internet when the cable model exists right now?

Why hasn't the freedom of the Internet, our access to such great ISPs and content, caused that cable model to crumble?

Why is it that we have important elected officials telling people that no one needs to use the Internet?

Why is it that ISPs that have throttled data and capped plans (despite proof that neither is necessary according to the available bandwidth) been able to expand their near-monopolies? Why is it that they have been rewarded by policy-makers?

Things can and do get worse. With the current climate of "Let's ask corporations to write wish lists to get rid of the already inadequate rules we have in place" don't expect things to get better anytime soon, unless you stand to profit from higher prices in terms of content access.
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You really should read my whole list. It will be clear that my example is about the ISP being paid for access to that content.
iOS that's not jailbroken. Hello?

Just because fairly open operating systems have long defined computing doesn't mean we're not moving in the opposite direction. MacOS Sierra, for instance, got rid of the GUI option to open programs from developers that haven't given Apple its payola.

Windows 10 hasn't exactly been user-friendly in terms of how it handles updates or foisting itself onto people. One can't even run Windows 8.1 on the latest CPUs.
Oh boy, the good ole' reliable ad hom.

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You really should read my whole list. It will be clear that my example is about the ISP being paid for access to that content. And, even if they don't directly get paid (e.g. Giganews) they still restrict content for profitability purposes. Blocking news is considered profitable which is why ISPs are doing it. Throttling or blocking torrents and newsgroups is a way to please various wealthy interest groups, interest groups that may be somehow in bed with ISPs or influential over them via political machinations.
iOS that's not jailbroken. Hello?

Just because fairly open operating systems have long defined computing doesn't mean we're not moving in the opposite direction. MacOS Sierra, for instance, got rid of the GUI option to open programs from developers that haven't given Apple its payola.

Windows 10 hasn't exactly been user-friendly in terms of how it handles updates or foisting itself onto people. One can't even run Windows 8.1 on the latest CPUs.
Oh boy, the good ole' reliable ad hom.

But they aren't blocking newsgroups, they just are no longer provide a portal....which they stopped doing many moons ago. ISP's also don't provide a means for me to watch Netflix movies without paying for it.

The Windows and IOS and MacOS aren't even net neutrally related.

Me mentioning that you seemed to be arguing for no reason is that I have same opinion about an open internet as you.
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But they aren't blocking newsgroups, they just are no longer provide a portal....which they stopped doing many moons ago. ISP's also don't provide a means for me to watch Netflix movies without paying for it.
Your argument can be used to apply to any content delivered via the Internet, including high-definition video files from Youtube.
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The Windows and IOS and MacOS aren't even net neutrally related.
The Internet is accessed via operating systems. How those operating systems restrict content is just as important as how ISPs restrict content, how search engines restrict content, etc. If the major operating systems adopt a model that supports the cable-like model then that's what most people will have access to. Again, when Linux displaces those operating systems I will eat my shirt.

I'll reply to future posts from you to me when you've made the effort to address the rest of the items in my list.
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Your argument can be used to apply to any content delivered via the Internet, including high-definition video files from Youtube.
The Internet is accessed via operating systems. How those operating systems restrict content is just as important as how ISPs restrict content, how search engines restrict content, etc. If the major operating systems adopt a model that supports the cable-like model then that's what most people will have access to. Again, when Linux displaces those operating systems I will eat my shirt.

I'll reply to future posts from you to me when you've made the effort to address the rest of the items in my list.


If they were to block any part of YouTube they would be sued by Google.

I agree that an OS does have the power to restrict any sort of access it wishes, that's why I prefer open source.

I'm not going through your other points again.
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I'm not going through your other points again.
That's okay. I don't find your rebuttal attempts compelling either.

Boiled frogs sue too late, by the way.
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Something like this will never happen. This isn't the same as cable tv packages. Cables companies pay for the right to broadcast each channel. ISP's don't pay for the right to carry a particular web site. To charge money to access a particular web site would be a violation of trademark and copyright law, the same way it is illegal to charge admission to watch the Super Bowl or for retailers to have "Super Bowl" Sales without paying for a license agreement.

Most ISP's are monoplies which puts them under antitrust laws that already exist, and these laws are what should be used to prevent these things from happening.

Shhhhh, you're ruining the hate train by talking sense! Its much more fun to come up with increasingly goofy and ridiculous strawman doomsday scenarios and claiming that without massive new government regulations "This could happen to you!" The holy grail for the people that always make these kind of arguments is government simply taking direct control over every industry to make them "fair", because of course the government is inherently fair and just, while corporations are all greedy and evil.
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because of course the government is inherently fair and just, while corporations are all greedy and evil.

And approx. 15 years ago the opposite was believed.

The lesser of two evils will simply trade you to the greater. I mean if we want to talk in pearls of wisdom.
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