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Good God I'm happy I'm not American.
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Good God I'm happy I'm not American.
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We stopped being free over here when we started handing individual rights away for government control.
 
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Money puts people into positions of power. The restrictions on what kind of money can control our politics is a big issue. Potentially bigger than that is the question of how anyone is going to trump the influence of that money to make new/changed restrictions. The Supreme Court was seen as the best impediment to a Wild West money game but they came up with the Citizens United ruling.

The people that voters get to vote on are vetted by money first. That's why in France, for instance, voters have the choice between a Goldman Sachs banker and Russia's puppet. It's also why the vaunted Georgia election is between a corporate bankster Dem and a typical GOP alternative.
Low turnout is the real problem, though that's a discussion for another site. At this point, I'm left wondering what good public comment will do since Pai clearly doesn't give a crap about competition or privacy rights, and will undo everything regardless of how much people hate him or his harebrained ideas and viewpoints.
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What is it that was happening that we needed these regulations in the first place? All I remember hearing was "If this...", "If that..." scenarios. But I don't recall anything specifically happening at the time that actually necessitated these regulations. Where was this throttling happening? Who was complaining about it? The only people I recall complaining about this issue were corporate media figures (e.g. John Oliver). If our internet was to be a throttling hell, why didn't it happen already?
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Free market is a myth.

When there is a group of people government happens. When government happens regulation happens. When regulation happens there are restrictions on marketing.

The thing a lot of people forget is that high-quality regulation increases quality of life, not the opposite. Regulation has been turned into a bad word by industry propaganda but there's another word that can be substituted for it: rules.

People who think life is best without rules need to think a bit more. The real issue is balancing the freedom to act with the freedom to not cause damage.

Whoa bro!!! Are you implying that we shouldn't blindly trust the benevolent guidance of the free market's invisible hand?! At the end of the day, the "free" market is always above contempt, and, after all, is ultimately steered by the decisions of infallible human actors, so the invisible hand ALWAYS prizes the common good above special interests! I mean, just leave mega multinational city state corporations alone, stop bullying them! With no oversight, they would definitely have the best interests of the most average base consumer at heart at all times. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

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Something like this will never happen. This isn't the same as cable tv packages. Cables companies pay for the right to broadcast each channel. ISP's don't pay for the right to carry a particular web site. To charge money to access a particular web site would be a violation of trademark and copyright law, the same way it is illegal to charge admission to watch the Super Bowl or for retailers to have "Super Bowl" Sales without paying for a license agreement.

Most ISP's are monoplies which puts them under antitrust laws that already exist, and these laws are what should be used to prevent these things from happening.

Uh, something like this could and would most definitely happen if ISP's and the larger content creators had their way. Cable cutting is finally starting to inflict some real pain on major media now, see: recent ESPN layoffs, or, popularity of Sling. The problem is that a la carte media consumption hurts the bottom line of mega media, and thus the telco corps that broadcast their transmissions. Their ultimate goal is to maximize revenue every. single. fiscal. quarter, and you can guarantee that if something lies in a gray area today, they will nudge and probe ways to push the boundaries so that tomorrow, it is accepted reality. If they get "caught", no biggie; just pay a fine and try another avenue.

If "Net Neutrality" made no difference whatsoever, why did the Comcasts and Verizons of the world fight so hard against it? Not to imply that Net Neutrality is/was some flawless, omnipotent platinum shield of pro-consumer regs, far from it, but you always have to follow the money.
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Low turnout is the real problem, though that's a discussion for another site. At this point, I'm left wondering what good public comment will do since Pai clearly doesn't give a crap about competition or privacy rights, and will undo everything regardless of how much people hate him or his harebrained ideas and viewpoints.

What gets me is how the hell did Pai even get into office? He blatantly has conflict of interest plastered all over him given his background...
The issue is a lot more deeply routed than the symptom of Pai being...well, Pai and net neutrality.

The mechanisms which are used to ensure a proper, functioning system are being circumvented which is leading to problems such as this.
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What gets me is how the hell did Pai even get into office? He blatantly has conflict of interest plastered all over him given his background...
The issue is a lot more deeply routed than the symptom of Pai being...well, Pai and net neutrality.

The mechanisms which are used to ensure a proper, functioning system are being circumvented which is leading to problems such as this.

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It isn't that confusing. Look at all the major government regulator bodies and they are staffed like a revolving door for those they are supposed to regulate. The FCC hires "experts" that just so happen to be from Verizon or another telecommunications company or lobby interest group. The FDA is just as bad with how it is funded entirely by the very industry it is supposed to be regulating.
    
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It isn't that confusing. Look at all the major government regulator bodies and they are staffed like a revolving door for those they are supposed to regulate. The FCC hires "experts" that just so happen to be from Verizon or another telecommunications company or lobby interest group. The FDA is just as bad with how it is funded entirely by the very industry it is supposed to be regulating.

Is there really an alternative, though? Who else would end up being an expert in telecom?
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Is there really an alternative, though? Who else would end up being an expert in telecom?

They could hire someone with education in the field that was part of a neutral civil watchdog group or something similar.

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headscratch.gif

It isn't that confusing. Look at all the major government regulator bodies and they are staffed like a revolving door for those they are supposed to regulate. The FCC hires "experts" that just so happen to be from Verizon or another telecommunications company or lobby interest group. The FDA is just as bad with how it is funded entirely by the very industry it is supposed to be regulating.

True but that's not an excuse. That's just alluding to the problem being systemic rather than isolated which in turn points towards various forms of corruption.
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