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Originally Posted by i7monkey View Post

Ah yes the imaginary "other" company that magically appears and lowers prices.

Most consumers have what one or two maybe three choices if they're really lucky?

And the barriers to entry in the ISP business is impossibly high. You're acting like they're selling fruit at a stand.


These "magical" other companies do exist. You forget that cities have been bringing their own gigabit internet service to their population or a few years now with great success. They do it from the ground up and provide gigabit for under $100, most closer to the $50 mark. On top of those situations, there are companies like Google who came in and spurred some great competition as well. Every place Google Fiber for under $100 has popped up, the ISPs in the area "magically" find new package plans they can sell for profit that are of the same price and speed as the gigabit fiber.
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These "magical" other companies do exist. You forget that cities have been bringing their own gigabit internet service to their population or a few years now with great success.

No, we didn't forget. We, in fact, were paying attention when the ISPs successfully lobbied to make municipal internet illegal.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/10/municipal-internet/
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An appeals court on Wednesday sided with the telecom industry, and with North Carolina and Tennessee, in a major decision that upheld the ability of states to pass laws that restrict municipalities from offering broadband internet services.
post #83 of 164
USA, free country, do whatever you want to anyone you want, everything goes, it truly is a free country......BS is what it is, I wont be in this country much longer if things keep going like this.
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Would this give an ISP unregulated access to wireshark, or use deep packet inspection on a customer without a court order and with anonymity?

Sounds to me like the government has eaten the member berries and is activating Trolltrace for real....
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I foresee cyber wars if this happens.
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Originally Posted by Death Dealer View Post

Would this give an ISP unregulated access to wireshark, or use deep packet inspection on a customer without a court order and with anonymity?

Sounds to me like the government has eaten the member berries and is activating Trolltrace for real....

DPI for marketing purposes is already being pushed through.
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I foresee cyber wars if this happens.

They are already happening on large scale actually.
    
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No, we didn't forget. We, in fact, were paying attention when the ISPs successfully lobbied to make municipal internet illegal.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/10/municipal-internet/
That's on the state level, and depends on the state. Barely more than half of the states still allow it, and it doesn't look like that'll change.
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ISPs have more freedom to do that without these regulations, not less. There's a lot more to this, but it'll have more to do with the post after yours so I'll drop it all down in the quote-replies to that one.

Yes, I understand your idealistic commentary, but like I said many times in the past the net effect of the new regs and Title II were mostly inconsequential to the end user. And you are not correct in the fact that ISPs had never been given specific undefined authority to manage their network traffic in a way that had never been codified. Read the regs, the wording is in there, I'm not making that up.

Comcast tried implementing that torrent blocking hardware several times back in 2008-ish and the early 2010s, bad publicity and a court case that I'm not sure of the outcome, but in the end Comcast stopped that practice and this was before Title II. All it really did for the individual user was create new bureaucracy and spit oversight of the internet. There was no miracle flood that a proverbial Noah's Ark of regulation needed to save us from.

The market is driving towards unmetered mobile access and bundling services, not because of but in spite of FCC... like perhaps Verizon or AT&T can one day provide free streaming sat or cable television services over mobile internet, which Net Neutrality regs are prohibiting and all the horse pucky is preventing the consumer from getting a better deal like that.
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I'm not sure how you equate less protection for us as a good thing. This basically can describe how North Korea controls their internet - hell, their whole society. Letting one entity (your ISP) control what data you are able to see, is in no way, shape or form, an OK thing to have happen. Literally anything that prevents that is a better alternative.

I'm not equating that as a good thing. If you understand the state of privacy on the internet in 2017 I'd think you'd understand that a change in the fed regs doesn't amount to much when *everyone* is monitoring your traffic. There is no privacy on the internet for the average end user. If you're really concerned about privacy, disconnect.
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Yes, I understand your idealistic commentary, but like I said many times in the past the net effect of the new regs and Title II were mostly inconsequential to the end user. And you are not correct in the fact that ISPs had never been given specific undefined authority to manage their network traffic in a way that had never been codified. Read the regs, the wording is in there, I'm not making that up.

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The market is driving towards unmetered mobile access and bundling services, not because of but in spite of FCC... like perhaps Verizon or AT&T can one day provide free streaming sat or cable television services over mobile internet, which Net Neutrality regs are prohibiting and all the horse pucky is preventing the consumer from getting a better deal like that.

Do you even for a moment think that the driving force of our Infrastructure roll-out is market demand and need? Do you honestly think people like bundles and that is why they exist?

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Friend, let me remove that wool! Neither one of those is true and the driving force of both are the bottom lines of the accounting sheets.
    
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