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Hello all, looking for some help to achieve a stable overclock....
to be honest I've been out of the game for a few years and forget most of the stuff...
So I have been trying to do the lazy route and use my bios gaming mode to overclock but keep running into issues....

Here is my hardware list...

Case: NZXT S340 Elite in white
CPU: i5-7600k with NZXT x52 Kraken aio cooler
Mobo: MSI z270 Krait Gaming motherboard
GPU: MSI GTX 1080 Armor OC
RAM: 16gb DDR4 3200 Corsair Vengance white
SSD: 250gb Samsung Evo 960 m.2 ssd
SSD: 250gb lite on m.2 ssd
HDD: 2tb Seagate
HDD: 2tb Seagate
PSU: Corsair RM650x Gold psu

So far I can only achieve 1 of my desired overclocks at a time.

I can OC my CPU using the bios to 4.5 but if I try to do the ram or GPU it crashes
Same happens if I enable Xmp for the memory
Lastly if I leave the ram and CPU at stock I can use afterburner to oc my gpu but again if I enable any other component... you get the picture

Sooo the system performs beautiful at stock but hey I'm OC
Net and who likes stock anyway....
Oh and to answer your already. Tuning question yeas I searched on the site but couldn't find my specific config
And to be blunt I'm overwhelmed by the sheer data this site has to offer and was hoping someone could help a guy out with a how to for dummies for my rig....

Last time o did any ovrclockkng gtx 780s ruled the world along with the very hot haswell line... so it's been a few years... what core voltages are safe or to much for the latest 7th gen CPUs? Can I go over 1.35v on ram since I read somewhere it's not advised by intel with kaby lake....

If you made it to this point thank you.... hopefully someone can help...

Help me oc.net this is my most desperate hour... your my only hope....

Thanks.

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post #2 of 7
http://www.overclock.net/t/1621347/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics

have a look there on a bit more in depth

or this one

https://rog.asus.com/articles/guides/the-kaby-lake-overclocking-guide/

while it is a bit Asus specific it does give a lot of hints and explanations


now onto some quick tips

voltage for RAM should be fine with 1.4, doesn't affect the CPU at all (kaby lake vcore could be that 1.35v, that's for testing stability with Prime and shouldn't be put higher, is mentioned in the Asus OC guide)

when going XMP maybe the voltage doesn't get set properly
3200 speed should be around 1.35 or so I guess
depends a bit on the kit though
and of course it's technically an overclock (JEDEC standard is 2400), maybe it needs a bit more voltage on you're board

with Kaby it's basically all vcore, temps and luck

for really high OC you're gonna need a delid, basically the glue between IHS and DIE is too thick
making heat transfer not optimal

that said I was able to achieve 5Ghz on my 7600k without it (HT on the i7 runs hotter)

using Asus RealBench (to conform OC stability, using OCCT or Prime would give higher temps also) was 80ish degrees
using an air cooler for 30€

these days I have a Kraken x62 AiO, and a delid
so I can't relate how it would performs without a delid any more


usually temps drop with a delid from 15 to 25 degrees C


vcore
anything above 1.4v is usually considered to be living more on the edge
absolute max is 1.5v, and not recommended
also good CPU's don't need that much voltage, and bad ones you can't really push a lot higher even with a lot of voltage

without a delid you're gonna run out of temp headroom at 1.35-1.375 anyway I think

before moving on to the GPU, really make sure the rest is stable


CPU first
maybe 1.3v-1.35v see how high you can get
CPU core cache ratio, or uncore or whatever it says for you're board should be set way lower first (it affects stability but doesn't make a performance difference, at least not like 100Mhz more for the cores)

maybe to 42 (translates to 4.2Ghz)

and see how high you can get and what temps

then raise the core cache ratio and see how high you can get with it

use a tool that you want to use from the kaby lake overclocking guide (using RealBench seems to be fine for 24/7 stability)


when you know the CPU is stable, move onto RAM

set XMP
give the RAM more voltage by hand, and check timings if you can, should be noted for you're kit on a sticker anyway (1.4v should be fine really) and see if you're stable

VCCIO for instance has a hand here, but it has to do with signal strength, too much unstable, too little unstable
usually best left on auto
3200 isn't so high anyway

would be good to test RAM stability with memtest for a while


and then we could move to the GPU


edit:
also some users seem to have bad luck with they're Kraken
seems to be a bit loose

mine sits well however

just a note
http://www.overclock.net/t/1628632/nzxt-kraken-x52-loose-backplate#post_26047292
Edited by peter2k - 4/27/17 at 3:48am
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post #3 of 7
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Thanks for the reply so much info and all so very helpful! i had no idea you could delid with an aio... do I need anything to close the gap?
I did a delis on my old 4770k a long while back so would love to do this again...

So far my x52 seems to be quite snug so let's hope it stays that way...

I will be testing sombe overclocks this week I hope... will post results once I get some!
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Originally Posted by cdnGhost View Post

Thanks for the reply so much info and all so very helpful! i had no idea you could delid with an aio... do I need anything to close the gap?
I did a delis on my old 4770k a long while back so would love to do this again...

So far my x52 seems to be quite snug so let's hope it stays that way...

I will be testing sombe overclocks this week I hope... will post results once I get some!

The delid method envolves cleaning the thermal paste from intel and the silicone from the pcb/heatsink to close the gap between die and ihs. They put clu on the cpu die and either re-atach the ihs with glue/silicone or just clip it steady with the cpu bracket.
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Originally Posted by weskeh View Post

The delid method envolves cleaning the thermal paste from intel and the silicone from the pcb/heatsink to close the gap between die and ihs. They put clu on the cpu die and either re-atach the ihs with glue/silicone or just clip it steady with the cpu bracket.

yeah this thumb.gif

basically we pop the IHS off, remove the glue, put some better paste on (liquid metal ones are best for this)

and glue it back together (most make tiny dots on the corners)
or quite some just leave it as is since the clamps of the socket hold it down nice

btw
running without a IHS is not recommended at all

coolers don't make contact since the mounting options expect the height of the IHS and temp difference becomes negligable compared to a normal delid

delidding has become a more common thing because you can buy tools that can do that for you (rockit, delid-die-mate, Dr delid; all priced around 30 bucks)
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post #6 of 7
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so this just happend....
need to stress it but hey
5.2ghz with a cache speed at 4.5ghz and a voltage of 1.35...

my validation

have yet to stress it and not even sure if i did it right....
Edited by cdnGhost - 4/27/17 at 7:32am
post #7 of 7
nice

mine needed 1.375v to be stable at 5.2 Ghz
guessing you'll be on the toasty side of things without a delid though

there's not much to it

it's just the multiplier, vcore, temps and a bit of luck (well I guess knowing that uncore doesn't need to be as high as the cores is important/ can hinder an OC sometimes)

there are no magic settings really
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