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[TechPowerUp] Aqua Computer and Rockit Delidding Tools tested on Core i7-7700K

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I wasn't sure if this was the right place, but it is reviewing new-ish hardware & confirming spectacularly stuff we knew.
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LINK: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Delidding_the_Intel_Core_i7_7700K/4.html
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Enthusiasts have for a while now complained about Intel using a cheap and inexpensive thermal paste that performs poorly and creates a huge bottleneck to heat transfer. Yet others have blamed the thick silicone glue in creating an air gap between the CPU PCB and IHS. Today, we will examine all this and more using the Intel Core i7-7700K.
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This is a two-in-one product review that has been incorporated into a de-lidding awareness and testing article. As such, there are three things to cover here: whether or not to de-lid the Intel Core i7-7700k, how good is the Aquacomputer Dr. Delid Tool, and how good is the Rockit 88 de-lid tool with the re-lid kit.



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These are absolutely massive decreases; 20.7 °C from the TIM swap and fresh batch of silicone glue and 24.4 °C from the TIM swap and super glue.
 
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It looks like it at first because of the materials but the main "gotcha" is the design and production of them with exact measurements and precision and tolerances to be able to do the delids easy & consistently. If you can 3D print your own with enough accuracy then sure, go for it. But you'll probably end up spending more TIME and money (probably more than $30) tinkering, trying to get it right while possibly screwing up the delid. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Originally Posted by maltamonk View Post

These seem quite pricey for what they are, small plastic pieces, a few bits of metal, and some screws. Wonder if we could 3d print our own for a fraction of the costs?
3D printed delidders are only good for X numbers of prints. I have a 3D printer and offer a service for 3D printing and I prefer to use this. At $30 USD ($28 for the white one) you won't find a safer solution for the price.
 
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It's less than 10% the cost of an i7, and it isn't a one-time use. Unless Intel moves away from Socket H, this should be good for any new flagship.

Or they start soldering again. That'd make this thing worthless, but in the best way possible.
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Might not be a bad investment if you don't trust yourself with a vise or a razor.
 
#11 ·
Relative to a 50 dollar delid from a service like Silicon Lottery (and I'm sure there are others), I don't see the appeal unless you buy a new CPU every year or two.

I could buy this or a small vice for a few dollars more that will be much more helpful. And I have more uses for it then every half decade when I upgrade my CPU.

Seems like a nice enough product assuming it's idiot proof, but I have to imagine the people who not only delid but delid enough to make this worth it are few and far between.
 
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This is very interesting, does anyone know of a company that offers a delidding service that will use Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut thermal paste and the Rockit Cool approach (Loctite Super Glue) for relidding?

I am reluctant to take the chance that I will render my cpu useless by making a mistake during this process and I do not want to risk my investment of roughly 400$, but at the same time I would love to get results similar to the author of the Tech Power Up article!

Has anyone else here had experience with delidding and relidding their cpu?

The drop in temperature definitely seems its worth the cost investment, provided that it does not destroy the cpu in the process.

Currently I'm waiting for ASUS's 1080ti Poseidon to be released and then I'm going to order it and set up a custom liquid cooling loop and I would be interested in delidding and relidding my cpu at that point as well.

Thanks OP for the post!
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Originally Posted by Dimensive View Post

Silicon Lottery offers a delidding service: https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/delid
Thank you, do you know if they let you specify the thermal paste and give you a choice between the silicone and super glue for relidding?

EDIT : This is from their site

"Stock thermal paste is replaced with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra.

Temperature improvements vary depending on processor sample and architecture. Temperatures under an overclocked load (1.3V-1.4V) will decrease anywhere from 5° to 25°C. Typical temperature improvements are listed below:

Ivy Bridge: 10°C to 25°C
Haswell: 10°C to 25°C
Devil's Canyon: 7°C to 15°C
Broadwell: 8°C to 18°C
Skylake: 8°C to 18°C
Kaby Lake: 12°C to 25°C"

Id like to find a service that will utilize the highest grade thermal paste possible as im already paying for the service as well as relinquishing the use of my computer while i wait for them to complete the service so id much prefer that they use the thermal paste suggested in the Tech Power Up article as well as use the super glue rather than the silicone for better temps.
 
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Maybe you can email them and ask. Tell them you'll send the the liquid/paste in the package with the CPU. I don't think they'd really say no since you're putting in the money. What they list is because that's what they have in stock to use (probably buy in bulk) instead of having to buy so many variations. It's a business after all.
 
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Originally Posted by KyleAPowers View Post

Thank you, do you know if they let you specify the thermal paste and give you a choice between the silicone and super glue for relidding?

EDIT : This is from their site

"Stock thermal paste is replaced with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra.

Temperature improvements vary depending on processor sample and architecture. Temperatures under an overclocked load (1.3V-1.4V) will decrease anywhere from 5° to 25°C. Typical temperature improvements are listed below:

Ivy Bridge: 10°C to 25°C
Haswell: 10°C to 25°C
Devil's Canyon: 7°C to 15°C
Broadwell: 8°C to 18°C
Skylake: 8°C to 18°C
Kaby Lake: 12°C to 25°C"

Id like to find a service that will utilize the highest grade thermal paste possible as im already paying for the service as well as relinquishing the use of my computer while i wait for them to complete the service so id much prefer that they use the thermal paste suggested in the Tech Power Up article as well as use the super glue rather than the silicone for better temps.
I would do some research on the two TIM's and see if there is enough of a difference to make it worth it.

Also, you could buy the equipment you need to do it yourself and then sell it to someone else after you do yours.
 
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Originally Posted by TheBloodEagle View Post

Maybe you can email them and ask. Tell them you'll send the the liquid/paste in the package with the CPU. I don't think they'd really say no since you're putting in the money. What they list is because that's what they have in stock to use (probably buy in bulk) instead of having to buy so many variations. It's a business after all.
I just made a post on their suggestion thread ( found here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1547347/what-would-you-like-to-see-from-silicon-lottery/180#post_26051770) and im waiting for a reply, I made the suggestion just like you mention that we should be able to send in our own thermal paste and also have the choice about the relidding process!

Thank you so much for your helpful insight on the matter and i will look into the thermal paste comparison, as at the moment ive only had a short amount of time to do some quick research regarding which company offers the best thermal paste available!

+REP for bieng so helpful!
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#19 ·
Using super glue is much better than RTV?

Maybe if the RTV is too thick we can apply just a dab on each corner to minimize compression of the RTV? As opposed to going all around the IHS edge.
 
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

I would do some research on the two TIM's and see if there is enough of a difference to make it worth it.

Also, you could buy the equipment you need to do it yourself and then sell it to someone else after you do yours.
Yes ive considered doing it myself, but i honestly have the worst luck out of anyone that i know, its so bad that before i purchase any product i take an extensive look into the wrranty and see exactaly what it covers as I usually get the one defective unit out of hundreds of thousands of units manufactured, and ive had this issues with cars ( a 2001 honda civic that went through two transmissions in less than 10k miles), computer components from cpu's to RAM and gpu's, and on and on so I'd much prefer to pay for the service as long as i am able to hold the company liable for any damages that this service may cause.

If i didn't have such horrendous luck, i would surely purchase and attempt the delidding and relidding myself.

Some people have much better luck and skill and I'm not saying that I'm not intelligent ( im currently carring a 4.0 gpa in all of my courses in college), its more so that i have **** luck.
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Using super glue is much better than RTV?

Maybe if the RTV is too thick we can apply just a dab on each corner to minimize compression of the RTV? As opposed to going all around the IHS edge.
The information in the article indicates that the super glue if the more efficient approach.
 
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Originally Posted by TK421 View Post

Using super glue is much better than RTV?

Maybe if the RTV is too thick we can apply just a dab on each corner to minimize compression of the RTV? As opposed to going all around the IHS edge.
I use the dab of super glue on the corner method with all the CPUs ( have delided 10-15 for people in my area here from 6600ks to 7700ks) I have done since having an issue with the RTV not to mention have gotten alot better results with the glue. And I must say that the rockit is probably one of the best investments I have made along with the relid tool.
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

It's amazing how terrible Intel's stock solution is...
I agree, why the hell would a company invest so much capital into the development in their technology, only to undercut its performance by using inferior components such as thermal paste and a poor lidding?!
 
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Originally Posted by kfxsti View Post

I use the dab of super glue on the corner method with all the CPUs ( have delided 10-15 for people in my area here from 6600ks to 7700ks) I have done since having an issue with the RTV not to mention have gotten alot better results with the glue. And I must say that the rockit is probably one of the best investments I have made along with the relid tool.
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Glad to hear that your having superior results with the super glue!

Also just curious, how much do you charge for delidding/relidding if i were to send in my cpu with my own grizzly thermal paste?
 
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