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G3258 + 2133 corsair Bad memory?

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This problem really annoying now
First, is a g3258 capable of handling 2133mhz ram?
Mobo is gigabyte z97p-d3.
Ram is corsair vengeance pro 2133 1.5v

No overlcocks, just set XMP in bios, rest default.
Started getting bsods recently, and windows explorer hangs

Here are 2 bsod dumps:
Code:
042617-4118-01.dmp   26/04/2017 14:49:55     SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION        0x0000003b      00000000`c0000005       fffff800`033191aa       fffff880`066066a0       00000000`00000000       ntoskrnl.exe    ntoskrnl.exe+6f440      NT Kernel & System  Microsoft® Windows® Operating System    Microsoft Corporation   6.1.7601.23714 (win7sp1_ldr.170307-1800)        x64     ntoskrnl.exe+6f440                                      C:\Windows\Minidump\042617-4118-01.dmp  2       15      7601    291,000 26/04/2017 14:50:29     
042317-5491-01.dmp      23/04/2017 20:23:46     MEMORY_MANAGEMENT       0x0000001a      00000000`00000031       fffffa80`0b8b41d0       fffff880`0ab25000       fffff8a0`03282406       ntoskrnl.exe    ntoskrnl.exe+6f440      NT Kernel & System  Microsoft® Windows® Operating System    Microsoft Corporation   6.1.7601.23714 (win7sp1_ldr.170307-1800)        x64     ntoskrnl.exe+6f440                                      C:\Windows\Minidump\042317-5491-01.dmp  2       15      7601    298,472 23/04/2017 20:24:33     

This is driving me mad, I know its a bad ram issue, but ran memtest last week for default 4 passes and no errors
The ram shouldnt be an issue with the g3258 right?
Really regret getting corsair ram if it is bad, sticking with the old faithful g.skill now wink.gif

What do you guys think, am I correct in thinking its the ram?
post #2 of 6
Try setting the ram speed and timings manually rather then using XMP and see what happens.
 
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I did memtest all night, 11 hours 20 passes and no errors

I will try setting manually aswell.

Right now I did ful bios default, running at 1333, so if it is fixed now I know its the ram.

Also, XMP seems to set voltage to 1.57v, not the 1.50v it is actually meant to be. So i will try your suggestion later, thanks
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Have you done any benchmarks to see what the bandwidth of that Pentium is? Even overclocked, I'm guessing it probably wouldn't saturate 2133MHZ (I need to stop falling in to the trap of referring to RAM by MHZ) PC3-17000, which is a measure of bandwidth, not speed. Dropping all of the timings to enable that high of bandwidth will hurt your performance if it isn't able to make use of the bandwidth.

Over Here are a few posts I did regarding this matter. If you have an overclocked i7 then you need to make certain you aren't choking the bandwidth, but with lower end processors it is more important to have tighter timings than so-called 'faster' RAM. You can still use that RAM with much tighter timings and get a very fast and responsive system. If performance is your highest priority, then hunting down the optimal bandwidth setting and tightening the timings to failure and backing off a notch is the ticket to success.

What settings are you using for the CPU? Is it possible that something there is causing the memory controller to fail? You might want to look at what other people have done with their G3258 settings, keeping in mind that most people don't know that the RAM 'MHZ' advertisement is a measure of bandwidth and not speed.
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Its not so much that I need the extra speed, rather I want the ram to work at its rated speed.
CPU is not overclocked, all stock.

I have installed one stick only now, and set timings manually. I realised that the XMP profile is programmed incorrectly as 11-11-11-31, when the last should be 27.

I know this ram isnt great, loose timings but I got it because it was the cheapest 1.5v ram I could find at the time. Am going to buy some 1600/1866 with tighter timings, before I RMA this after further testing 1 stick at a time.
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Its not so much that I need the extra speed, rather I want the ram to work at its rated speed.
CPU is not overclocked, all stock.

But that CPU doesn't run at that rated 'speed' (BANDWIDTH), so your expectation is unreasonable. If you tighten up the timings with that RAM then you will get about as good of memory performance as could possibly be had with that processor.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/169/Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1850_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3258.html

(Not sure why you can only see memory performance in head to head, but not individual CPU pages on that sight, threw my CPU up as the comparison)

It uses DDR-1333 PC3-10666. I got mine (similar Haswell CPU) running at 1400 on my board, that's as far as I can get. I'm not certain if it caused by my H81 motherboard or the CPU, but I don't see any way to force it to run at 2133. If it did it would have to run at very loose timings, either T2 command rate or higher voltage (or both), and would perform much worse (high latency). If you will only run RAM at the timings and bandwidth that it comes out of the box with then you probably should return that RAM and buy DDR-1333 PC3-10666.

If you look at the SPD table in CPU-Z it will show what timings your RAM works at for a given 'speed'. If you lower the 'speed' (the MHZ number) then it can run at tighter timings. Switching out that RAM for different RAM with lower bandwidth and tighter timings would be a waste because the RAM you have can already do that. You can confirm it is working by running a memory intensive program or benchmark. I used to use SuperPi, but I don't use Windows andymore and have no idea what people use nowadays. I generally do more underclocking than overclocking anymore.

TL;DR - There is nothing wrong with the RAM and adjusting the settings of the RAM to fit your processor will make everything optimized. I recommend everyone do this to every desktop system that has the options to do so. Good luck!

EDIT - I would encourage you to go back to my last post and read the link I provided. The 'speed' advertisement is a function of bandwidth, not system speed. Having tighter timings means less latency and faster speed of the system. There are relationships between the two, but for lower end processors you will cause your system to perform much worse by buying into the 'higher MHZ means it must be faster' mantra the RAM companies push. It just too complex to be as simple as the advertisers make it out to be. It pans out for people who throw money at the most expensive parts they can find, but following that method makes lesser hardware perform worse than it has to. Maybe that's the idea, purposely sabotage cheaper hardware to convince people to spend more money instead of setting things up properly.
Edited by Kleer Kut - 4/28/17 at 9:05am
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