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Oh poor Intel, people aren't willing to put up with stupidly increasing prices with nearly identical performance and core counts. What a bummer, Intel is going to miss its profit targets. The worst part is that they're acting like this is a surprise, like people would put up with this nonsense indefinitely.
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Why do people reference this article? It talks about Microcenter, who always undercuts Intel pricing, they sell a lot of their chips as a loss leader, always have

Maybe because of timeframe? rolleyes.gif

The price drops came after Ryzen not before, so one would say it is because of Ryzen.....
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AMD dropped its Ryzen processors onto the market a few days ago, hitting the #1 and #2 best-selling CPUs on Amazon within hours, breaking world records without breaking a sweat, and of course - hitting Intel where it hurts.

Intel has now reacted, as I thought they would - by reducing the prices of their Core range of processors across the board. Microcenter is already listing the processors with huge price reductions, with their flagship Core i7-6950X dropping by $300 ($1899 to $1599) while the Core i7-6900K drops by $200 from $1199 to $999, the Core i7-7700K has been slashed by $80 ($379 to $299).
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56440/intel-rocked-core-over-ryzen-price-drops-begin/index.html
And ofcourse when a journalist adds their fuel it spreads to the masses.

But also we have the capacity to go look ourselves what other retailers are doing.

Newegg has a 6850K just $50 above what Microcentre has in the article. I would attribute that to Intel lowering prices because of Ryzen. $100 price drop.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117647&cm_re=Intel_Core_i7-6850K-_-19-117-647-_-Product

Newegg Intel Core i7-6950X $1649.... Just $50 above MC again. $250 price drop
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117643&cm_re=Intel_Core_i7-6950X-_-19-117-643-_-Product

So it seems only the CPUs Ryzen 8 cores targets are affected by pricing at this time. The X99 platform.
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Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

Maybe because of timeframe? rolleyes.gif

The price drops came after Ryzen not before, so one would say it is because of Ryzen.....
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56440/intel-rocked-core-over-ryzen-price-drops-begin/index.html
And ofcourse when a journalist adds their fuel it spreads to the masses.

But also we have the capacity to go look ourselves what other retailers are doing.

Newegg has a 6850K just $50 above what Microcentre has in the article. I would attribute that to Intel lowering prices because of Ryzen. $100 price drop.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117647&cm_re=Intel_Core_i7-6850K-_-19-117-647-_-Product

Newegg Intel Core i7-6950X $1649.... Just $50 above MC again. $250 price drop
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117643&cm_re=Intel_Core_i7-6950X-_-19-117-643-_-Product

So it seems only the CPUs Ryzen 8 cores targets are affected by pricing at this time. The X99 platform.

Okay... I don't know where they got their $1899 and $1199 numbers but that hasn't been the price on these chips... basically ever.

Microcenter has always been 50ish Dollars cheaper than everyone else.
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Praise the Center of Micro, bringer of deals, maker of dreams
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should they kill AMD they'll be broken up for being a monopoly.

Good luck with that...
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Good luck with that...

 

They will - it's not the first time it has happened.

 

Although under the current administration I wouldn't be surprised if they got a pat on the back and a fat paycheck for being able to kill off any competence - no matter the means.

   
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Intel don't drop prices on anything, they haven't ever, they won't start now

They will however price their next gen according to Ryzen, not as low, but lower

Yes they have, but in anticipation of AMD's offers, namely in the Q6600 era, 10 years ago. During the 45nm Core 2 era and also Nehalem, while AMD was still some competition, they also regularly dropped prices on some CPUs / introduced faster models at the same price point, lowering the price of the previous model. But after that, specifically after releasing Sandy Bridge, they stopped. AMD didn't have anything to make them lower prices.

But now, yes, I doubt that they will officially drop prices on the current line-up. Stores will unofficially do it to varying extents and thus Intel doesn't look bad; they'll save the lower price airtime for the new line-ups, that way there is a disconnect, it's something new, it's not Intel coming down from the Ivory tower and having to show the world how much the prices of current products was pushing the limits. The next high-end CPU will have 12 cores instead of 10, affecting the whole line-up downwards, so they have the perfect excuse to re-arrange them. They'll probably take the opportunity to replace the hexacores with octacores at the respective price points. That gives them space to then charge 1k for the 10 core and 1k+ for the 12 core model. The exact pricing will depend on what the rumoured Ryzen enthusaist platform will do. If AMD decides to charge 1k for a 16 core model, then we have some serious competition.
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Now the question is how many will stick back to intel...

Intel drop price, now they are cheaper....despite Intel is still more slightly expensive, suddenly everyone buys Intel instead & totally forgot about AMD Ryzen

AMD couldnt make enough profit, Ryzen R&D is cut. Zen 3 & 4 become a bulldozer 2.0 after Intel introduce Sandy bridge 2.0---> Everyone got stuck with the same amount of intel core for the next 6-8years.

How many of you guys wanna repeat this?

Very good question raised here. Sadly I think you pretty much hit the nail right on the head. Or phrased differently, those who want AMD to succeed just so they can buy Intel/nVidia for cheaper are gonna be very very happy. biggrin.gif

Personally I'm eagerly anticipating X399 and Zen+, and if both turn out to be a disappointment, I'm just gonna buy second hand from now on.
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Oh poor Intel, people aren't willing to put up with stupidly increasing prices with nearly identical performance and core counts. What a bummer, Intel is going to miss its profit targets. The worst part is that they're acting like this is a surprise, like people would put up with this nonsense indefinitely.

Heh 80%+ of the population will at least.
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This. I only wanted to say this.


These are not god damn gamer chips. mad.gif

My 5930k disagrees.
Edited by Poisoner - 4/28/17 at 6:38pm
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If the prices went up last quarter as stated in the article then a "slight decline" is only a correction.
    
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