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Just because it's a non xeon part doesn't make it a "gaming chip"... and I'd say a 5ghz 7700k is more fitting for that role.

I think they were just comparing to 6900K/6950X because of core count. Obviously Broadwell-E was AMD's target competition for the 1800X/1700X/1700 which is why they were carefully compared the way they were. We all know the 7700K is the fastest pure gaming chip but its only really comparable to the R7's in price. Nobody should really be buying either Broadwell-E or R7 series for only gaming.

I would. In fact I do have R7 1800x. I know that it's not a "gaming chip" per se, but it should work just fine when paired with a high end GPU and MB. Especially with DDR4. I did so because like every system I've built for myself, I can.

My mother is on my 1055 chip. She's in her 60s. Does she need so many cores? Nope. But she inherits her boys computer parts and has no complaints about speed compared to when she ran dual core systems. We get less calls about computer issues as well. biggrin.gif

I do mostly game on my systems, but I like having the ability to do other things should I want to. It's always about the "want to" with me. tongue.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
Edited by Ceadderman - 4/30/17 at 8:43am
 
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I would actually say no one should be buying 4 cores/8 threads for purely gaming with intel bringing 6 core to mainstream
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For one, the US govt blundered against Microsoft in monopoly litigation years ago , and I doubt they'd fare much better against Intel if it came to it especially now.

A Monopoly has to be proven "in court" to be an illegal monopoly. I could see Intel and a hoard of Lawyers defense start with the number of chips in different segments of "processing" and downplay the corporate pc market piece and drag mobile / tablet into the equation where the global picture is not Intel 80%+ of the entire market. 25 years ago Mobile was not a thing like it is now and Lawyers might gain ground with that argument better today than they could years ago. I'm assuming... redface.gif

Additionally aren't China and Russia making their own chips or planning to to get the NSA off their chips?

Again I'm not trying to be an expert on exact percentages servers, OEM pc, home built pc, mobile etc, just saying the demographics could be argued as different if Intel chose to try to focus on that in any pending litigation defense. And they have the cash... When cash is involved never underestimate how nasty things can get argument wise lol.

Monopolies isn't simple when you are talking about highly skilled technical fields.
It is legal to have a monopoly by out smarting everyone, such as Microsoft and Intel.
They dont have monopolies but they do have a 70/80%+ market share in their resective sectors. (MS is close to 90% market share in OS market)

Even if Intel and MS had zero competitors it wouldn't be because of monopolistic tactics. They have products that people want with intellectual property that no one else can engineer to the same degree. They have earned that leading stake in the market by making their products so comprehensive thag any new and current competitors need to be spending an absurd amount of capital expenditures to even keep pace, this number would be on the scale of 5-10% of the market cap of Intel/Ms which would be 20-40billikn just to stay competitive.
When the next biggest competitor is AMD and they arent even worth 10b as a whole, it is hard if not impossible to develop products that will perform on par or better. Unless of course your intellectual property can give you an improvement with physical silicon. Which is exactly what AMD is trying to do with their ondie AI on the Ryzen platform.

It is illegal however to do actions to protect a monopoly such as undercutting under production costs, buying up all manufacturing supply and equipment or artificially raising the cost to enter the market. For Intel it would be actions like leasing out 100% of digital foundry, taiwan semiconductors and qcom assembly lines and keep them idle.

Some sectors like the telecom and aviation transportation (of people and of items) have cost to entries that are so high that only a limited number of participants can be in the market at any given time and that number decreases as the largest firms eventually merge to improve margins when revenue can no longer be improved.
The cost to entry eventually gives the larger market cap firms the national/global monopoly instead of a localized
monopoly (think of your local energy provider or local airliner, that belongs tona larger corporation, or when people only have one telecom company in the region)
Edited by b0oMeR - 4/30/17 at 12:13pm
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I'd love a 2.4ghz Ryzen 8 Core in my laptop
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I think it's hilarious since Ryzen drops all the sudden Intel can sell their chips for a cheaper price. I mean obviously it was going to happen, but just really shows how much companies price gouge their customers... They really have not a single care for the consumer in the world. Makes you wonder why anyone would ever be a "fanboy".. someone who praises a company that just rips them off left and right.. We needed AMD, and everyone knew that but still... just wanted to say it.
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Not I, Skylake x can kick bricks, I'm going the AMD route with that delicious 16/32 chip of theirs the second it hits the market.

I'd too but it has memory issues. You can't go over 2666Mhz if using dual rank dual stick modules. Its IPC is also less than Skylake. I do both gaming and video editing/2d motion graphics/composition via adobe creative cloud apps so I need best of both worlds (IPC & Multi threading).
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I have been pricing out systems and to move to the AMD Ryzen 1800X from my FX-9590 setup it will cost about 800 USD. To switch to intel competitor which performs about 10% better the i7-7700K, it will cost 670 USD. Having to buy all new ram drives up the cost, but most of the AMD Ryzen motherboards that are good quality are 250-300 USD. While intel boards are tried and true and the price range is in the 150-250 USD range.
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I have been pricing out systems and to move to the AMD Ryzen 1800X from my FX-9590 setup it will cost about 800 USD. To switch to intel competitor which performs about 10% better the i7-7700K, it will cost 670 USD. Having to buy all new ram drives up the cost, but most of the AMD Ryzen motherboards that are good quality are 250-300 USD. While intel boards are tried and true and the price range is in the 150-250 USD range.

Biostar GT7, ASUS Prime Pro, Asrock Taichi, Giga Gaming 5. All excellent boards at or under $200. In fact, the GT7 and Taichi boast the most expensive VRM components and phase designs of all X370 boards along with the CH6 and Fatal1ty Pro.
 
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It's gonna be funny when X299 launches and there's a million boards available on launch but with X370 we had shortages. It's almost 2 months in and mobo selection is still lackluster.
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It's gonna be funny when X299 launches and there's a million boards available on launch but with X370 we had shortages. It's almost 2 months in and mobo selection is still lackluster.

 

Hey, on the bright side it's an embarrassment of riches compared to AM3+. :p So it could definitely be worse. As to comparing board options with Intel, well, we know where the lion's share of board-partner production is going and it's not to AMD. I'm sure it's the safe bet financially, but it's a shame that AM4 is going to get short shrift for now.

 
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