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I would. In fact I do have R7 1800x. I know that it's not a "gaming chip" per se, but it should work just fine when paired with a high end GPU and MB. Especially with DDR4. I did so because like every system I've built for myself, I can.

My mother is on my 1055 chip. She's in her 60s. Does she need so many cores? Nope. But she inherits her boys computer parts and has no complaints about speed compared to when she ran dual core systems. We get less calls about computer issues as well. biggrin.gif

I do mostly game on my systems, but I like having the ability to do other things should I want to. It's always about the "want to" with me. tongue.gif

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That's why I said for gaming only. I agree that both Broadwell-E and Ryzen 7 are still fantastic gaming processors, but they are largely wasted in their capabilities for gaming and gaming only. Like you I would absolutely buy a Ryzen 7 for my rig which I mostly game on because its such a fantastic value with 8C / 16T but the 7700K proves you don't need all of that for strictly gaming. Its much less value for money though compared to say a 1700 or 1700X.
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I would actually say no one should be buying 4 cores/8 threads for purely gaming with intel bringing 6 core to mainstream

Actually AMD was the one who brought 6-cores to the mainstream. As well as 8-cores.
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That's why I said for gaming only. I agree that both Broadwell-E and Ryzen 7 are still fantastic gaming processors, but they are largely wasted in their capabilities for gaming and gaming only. Like you I would absolutely buy a Ryzen 7 for my rig which I mostly game on because its such a fantastic value with 8C / 16T but the 7700K proves you don't need all of that for strictly gaming. Its much less value for money though compared to say a 1700 or 1700X.

And consoles prove we dont need to spend all that money building rigs strictly for gaming thumb.gif
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That's why I said for gaming only. I agree that both Broadwell-E and Ryzen 7 are still fantastic gaming processors, but they are largely wasted in their capabilities for gaming and gaming only. Like you I would absolutely buy a Ryzen 7 for my rig which I mostly game on because its such a fantastic value with 8C / 16T but the 7700K proves you don't need all of that for strictly gaming. Its much less value for money though compared to say a 1700 or 1700X.

And consoles prove we dont need to spend all that money building rigs strictly for gaming thumb.gif

Since when? biggrin.gif lol

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And consoles prove we dont need to spend all that money building rigs strictly for gaming thumb.gif
Call me when they make a console that can do 1440p100 across almost all games. The best we're going to get is 4K60 in a few select titles. Certainly no options for high refresh rate.

The PS4 Pro, for example, still drops to the mid 40s in BF1 multiplayer, while a 7700K will easily provide above 60 at all times, usually closer to 100 if paired with the right GPU. If you start considering Ryzen, the prospects become even more interesting and possibly cheaper.

Plus, I will never give up my mouse and keyboard for FPS games. When I watch even really good console players playing FPS games, the results are fairly grim compared to KBM. There's just no way to make snappy movements with a controller, unless you want to give up any semblance of precision. There's a reason almost every FPS on console has aim assist.
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Biostar GT7, ASUS Prime Pro, Asrock Taichi, Giga Gaming 5. All excellent boards at or under $200. In fact, the GT7 and Taichi boast the most expensive VRM components and phase designs of all X370 boards along with the CH6 and Fatal1ty Pro.

Agreed. The X370 Pro from Asus is 160 and a fantastic deal
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If you're gonna OC your Rchips, you seriously cannot go wrong with splurging up to the CVIHero. Yeah it's spendy ($270) but RoG boards come with fantastic support including hotswap RMA replacement. So if your board fails, you can submit for RMA and they will take down your card info and ship you the replacement. Once they get it they don't charge your card for the replacement. thumb.gif

You get a metric crap-ton of fan headers and quality caps and mosfets too. If the only thing holding up the purchase is price, I recommend skimping elsewhere and putting the savings to the MB. It's the one thing that I never wish to deal with for removal once I have a system completed. Not unless I have a bad cooler that needs replacement anyway. Simply unavoidable at that point. wink.gif

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If you're gonna OC your Rchips, you seriously cannot go wrong with splurging up to the CVIHero. Yeah it's spendy ($270) but RoG boards come with fantastic support including hotswap RMA replacement. So if your board fails, you can submit for RMA and they will take down your card info and ship you the replacement. Once they get it they don't charge your card for the replacement. thumb.gif

You get a metric crap-ton of fan headers and quality caps and mosfets too. If the only thing holding up the purchase is price, I recommend skimping elsewhere and putting the savings to the MB. It's the one thing that I never wish to deal with for removal once I have a system completed. Not unless I have a bad cooler that needs replacement anyway. Simply unavoidable at that point. wink.gif

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Had the ROG and the same exact chip did 4ghz on the cheaper pro
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If you're gonna OC your Rchips, you seriously cannot go wrong with splurging up to the CVIHero. Yeah it's spendy ($270) but RoG boards come with fantastic support including hotswap RMA replacement. So if your board fails, you can submit for RMA and they will take down your card info and ship you the replacement. Once they get it they don't charge your card for the replacement. thumb.gif

You get a metric crap-ton of fan headers and quality caps and mosfets too. If the only thing holding up the purchase is price, I recommend skimping elsewhere and putting the savings to the MB. It's the one thing that I never wish to deal with for removal once I have a system completed. Not unless I have a bad cooler that needs replacement anyway. Simply unavoidable at that point. wink.gif

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Had the ROG and the same exact chip did 4ghz on the cheaper pro

The cheaper Pro is nice but you just don't get the same quality you get from the RoG board. I strictly purchase ASUS motherboards and if you still have CVIHero, I suggest comparing the quality of one to the other. wink.gif

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The cheaper Pro is nice but you just don't get the same quality you get from the RoG board. I strictly purchase ASUS motherboards and if you still have CVIHero, I suggest comparing the quality of one to the other. wink.gif

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To be fair, the Prime Pro uses the same VRM components, it's just using a six phase configuration instead of a doubled four.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

CH6 has the external clockgen and is a better sub-ambient board, but the Prime Pro is plenty of quality for reaching the best realistic 24/7 clocks on ambient cooling. So are the GT7 and Taichi, both of which have the same level of VRM quality as the CH6 in equal or better phase designs. Overkill is good for longevity and all of the above boards are overkill for Ryzen on ambient, so go for features and price relative to the rest of your build. If a Prime Pro is the difference between good B-Die RAM or a better VGA, that's a good trade off for overall performance.
 
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