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And Fitz, I apologize for the type. I'm not really desperate.... it was just a typo thumb.gif

Thanks but I'm more concerned about you quoting someone else and accusing me of having made the quote and quoting me out of context.

You know who said/typed what.... no need to go that route...

Yes, there is a need to go that route. By partially quoting me, taking what I said out of context, changing what I actually said, and by accusing me of saying something that someone else said, you misrepresented the facts and made it appear I didn't know what I was talking about. When I am attacked in such an underhanded way, I will defend myself. Whether or not you did it intentionally or not is immaterial but the damage inflicted is the same.

Before you accuse me of doing the same to you when I posted my rebuttal to the fallacious comments in the post I quoted, keep in mind I pointed out where your comments were inaccurate and why. I also included enough of each one of the quotes taken from your post to include the context. I also used ellipses to indicate I was not quoting the entire post, something you did not so. What you did was irresponsible and inexcusable.

W/E if you has an issue, please PM me. Stay on topic. It's irresponsible and inexcusable to do otherwise....

You libeled me publically so I will defend myself publically. If you don't like that, clean up your act.
     
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Or you just don't want to take responsibility for saying we no longer need to PM our tractors because they are EV...... lol
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Or you just don't want to take responsibility for saying we no longer need to PM our tractors because they are EV...... lol

That made no sense at all.

Neither does EV tractors at this point in time.....
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??
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Or you just don't want to take responsibility for saying we no longer need to PM our tractors because they are EV...... lol

That made no sense at all.

Neither does EV tractors at this point in time.....

I retracted my previous post because I didn't understand you at first because you were out of context again.

I'm getting sick and tired of you accusing me of saying things I did NOT say. At no time did I say it was unnecessary to PM tractors (nor preop them, which is what I think you may have meant).
     
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With a single charger connected to a 240-volt outlet, which Tesla recommends, the pace speeds up to 31 miles of range for each hour of charging, and a full 300-mile charge takes less than 9.5 hours.
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable. This has already been discussed in this thread.
     
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable.



I'm a skeptic whom has little time to accept that my driver has to swap batteries at 300 miles yet has another 200 miles to go and then back to point or origin.

And exactly where down town Chicago do you propose my drivers get out and swap their batteries?

Oh and on top of that... if my driver swaps out batteries, do we buy them back belts? Is there going to be special safety equipment for this procedure? Or do we pay a station to do this?
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Just to enlighten the subject a little further...

The cost to dig up the diesel tanks and replace them with charging stations for tractors would be outrageous....

Batteries need to be tested during preventative maintenance. My shop would have to hire extra people just for that alone...

Did you read any of the linked articles? Truck owners wouldn't own and maintain the batteries; they would rent them and just swap them out when discharged. The swaps wouldn't take any more time than refueling with diesel, maybe even less. The truck owners wouldn't have to build their own charging stations or do their own testing and PMs.

Any fleet owner that replaced an entire fleet at once would have to be nuts; even more so if it is with brand new technology. There is no point in replacing perfectly good rolling stock so adoption of the new trucks would be gradual. It would be quite a while before in ground tanks would have to be dug up since adoption wouldn't be simultaneously across the board.

Why would a truck owner not maintain his vehicle and the components on that vehicle? That's absurd.

Right now our newest tractor with a diesel motor costs about 115,000 dollars. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a tractor where it's going to cost 150,000 dollars for full electric, then "rent" batteries, on top of the charging costs.

This tech has a very long way to go before it seems logical to replace anything we have not...

Either you didn't read the articles, as I strongly suspect, or your mind is stuck in the past and you refuse to open it to future possibilities (or both).

I never said that a truck owner wouldn't still have to maintain his vehicle and its components. I was referring to the fact the truck owner would not have to maintain and inspect the batteries. Daily preop inspections would still be need to be done on the truck itself. The inspections may be different in some ways but they wouldn't be any more difficult than they are now. I worked in warehousing for 30 years for the second largest electric utility in AZ. I've done daily, weekly, and monthly preops on gasoline powered forklifts, trucks, and mobile cranes, diesel powered forklifts, trucks (including semis; I had to preop them before I could even move them for loading in the morning before a shift and even in the evening after a shift, even though, technically, it was considered the same shift since I had no desire to risk my job by assuming the previous operator did a proper preop), and mobile cranes, battery powered forklifts, and electric pendant cranes. They were all different but the basics were similar and the training required to learn the differences were minimal. Assuming the batteries are interchangeable, as Mush has proposed, the company that exchanges, maintains and charges the battery packs would do any necessary inspections on the battery packs. All the vehicle operator would need to do is insure the battery pack had been properly installed at the time of the exchange, a procedure that, if the system has been designed properly, would take a handful of minutes or less.

It would make far more economic sense to rent the batteries than to buy them since then you would have to install new infrastructure everywhere you would need to do a battery swap, maintain a crew to operate that infrastructure, charge the batteries, swap them out, etc. Very few, if any, fleets are large enough to be able to absorb that cost and keep everything working 24/7 (idle equipment doesn't just not make money, it loses money). Do you have your own fueling stations everywhere your trucks go (assuming your fleet isn't local only)? The cost of renting the batteries would include charging and maintenance costs which would be far less than individual fleets doing it themselves for the same reasons homes and most business get their electric power from the power company instead of generating their own, get their water from a utility instead of having their own wells and water treatment plants, etc.
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The truck owners wouldn't have to do their own testing and PMs

Very totally wrong. Preventative maintenance includes the entire vehicle. Not just batteries. It just so happens that on our DOT sheets, the batteries must be checked and maintained whether it's being fastened down properly to simple things like terminal corrosion.

It's obvious you have no idea or any clue about DOT safety while the batteries are just one small part of a PM but very much included. Batteries are ALWAYS tested on a wet PM (B) and ALWAYS inspected on a dry PM (A).

And just because the system is full electric doesn't mean we have to stop or get to stop DOT inspections and preventative maintaining of our tractors.

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In case you are not aware of Tesla's CARS, the entire battery compartment is the entire bottom of the undercarriage. The entire vehicle is lifted off the ground for inspection, maintenance, repairs and replacement.

Diesel tractors are not so easily lifted off the ground ya know......

Again, you are still locked in the past. You are assuming DOT regs would be exactly the same as they are now for the new technology. The batteries you have in your rigs now are nowhere nearly the same as what will be used in the electric trucks so the regs and inspections techniques will have to be different. Otherwise, it would be like using the rules for a motorcycle on a class 8 truck. Again, the batteries will still be inspected and maintained; it just won't be you doing it.

I'm thinking Elon Musk is smart enough to ensure that the new electric trucks will not have to be lifted off the ground to change out the batteries. He has already demonstrated it could be done in as little as 90 seconds in ideal conditions so I seriously doubt lifting the truck off the ground is involved (and even if it is, he apparently has worked out how to do that).

Are the new electric trucks for everyone? Heck no. Will they be immediately be adopted? Of course not, it will be a long time before there is widespread adoption. That doesn't change the fact they will eventually become a major presence on our roads. I'm old enough I may never see it happen but I have no doubt it will. The infernal combustion engine is doomed to eventual extinction, the same way steam power and horse drawn transportation is already pretty much history.

Fine man....

See the problem is you have no idea or understanding of trucking in almost every shape and form of it..

The Drivers do a walk around and this does NOT include the batteries. It's called a pre-trip and post trip.

VIR is to write up issues on the tractor and are to be held by the trucking company under law.

PM is a preventative maintanence program design by the trucking company it'self. (I suppose you don't have to PM batteries however....

a DOT is a federal regulation that includes batteries if they belong to you or not. It get's inspected Yearly if you like it or not. If it's on the tractor it gets inspected.

Is that satisfactory?
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable.



I'm a skeptic whom has little time to accept that my driver has to swap batteries at 300 miles yet has another 200 miles to go and then back to point or origin.

And exactly where down town Chicago do you propose my drivers get out and swap their batteries?

No one is saying you have to convert your fleet to EVs anytime soon, if ever. Diesel/electric locomotives first came out in the mid 1930s but didn't outnumber steam locomotives until the 1950s. Steam locomotives persisted, albeit in declining numbers, for a couple of decades after that until the only remaining ones are essentially museum pieces, some of which still operate regularly for the tourist trade. The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades. The same will be true for EV trucks.
     
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