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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable.



I'm a skeptic whom has little time to accept that my driver has to swap batteries at 300 miles yet has another 200 miles to go and then back to point or origin.

And exactly where down town Chicago do you propose my drivers get out and swap their batteries?

No one is saying you have to convert your fleet to EVs anytime soon, if ever. Diesel/electric locomotives first came out in the mid 1930s but didn't outnumber steam locomotives until the 1950s. Steam locomotives persisted, albeit in declining numbers, for a couple of decades after that until the only remaining ones are essentially museum pieces, some of which still operate regularly for the tourist trade. The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades. The same will be true for EV trucks.

No see your not entirely on track there....

EV (vehicle means truck car or other) and have been around about or close to 100 years....

Where do you think this is going to happen in a few decades when they've already been trying this for way way WAY longer than that already??

LOL.

See this is why AUTO shouldn't be in a forum for computers.
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The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades.

Here. Just this alone.

Gas and Diesel. Apples to Apples.

Gas/Diesel VS electric Apples (AMD) to Oranges. (INTEL)
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...Fine man....

See the problem is you have no idea or understanding of trucking in almost every shape and form of it..

The Drivers do a walk around and this does NOT include the batteries. It's called a pre-trip and post trip.

VIR is to write up issues on the tractor and are to be held by the trucking company under law.

PM is a preventative maintanence program design by the trucking company it'self. (I suppose you don't have to PM batteries however....

a DOT is a federal regulation that includes batteries if they belong to you or not. It get's inspected Yearly if you like it or not. If it's on the tractor it gets inspected.

Is that satisfactory?

Man? Are you telling me that you cannot read the LADY in my user name nor the fact I sign my posts with JEANNIE?

Your reading comprehension needs work. I do understand the trucking industry, having worked around it for 30 years (I spelled it out several posts ago). I know the difference between PM and a preop (that was what my company called a daily preoperative inspection, which was more detailed than a mere walk around, btw,) and performed thousands of them (they had to be done daily before starting up any piece of equipment, be it trucks, forklifts, cranes, etc.) so stop insulting me! Most PM was handled by the garage at each location with the major work handled as a centrally located shop.

Lead/acid batteries do have to be PMed, btw, especially in a climate like the AZ deserts, and, where I worked, it was usually done by the operator. I wish I had a dollar for every gallon of water I put into batteries, especially in electric forklifts (it wasn't unusual to put two gallons into an electric forklift every day during the summer and those were mostly driven inside buildings cooled with swapm coolers).

You are still struggling with the concept that the DOT regulations for existing rolling stock will apply to new technology. That would be like applying regulations for a class 8 truck to a Ford Focus. Get over it; the regs will change.
     
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"Fine man" as in a shout out, not in reference to your personal gender which I have no care for.... (in other words I don't care that your male or female...)

Yes regulations do change and generally to the stricter and not lesser of.

People are out to make money. You will pay one way or another for the fuel source. And if everything goes to just electric, you can expect a rather well increase in the power companies wallet as there would be no other fuel source for competition as you've seen with Intel vs AMD.....

It's a neat concept. Always has been.

I think it's neat.

Also stated that GLOBALLY this type of thing is way beyond any couple of decades let alone just here in the US.

It's still a rather dodgy deal in many aspects.

If you truly are very know all of tractors and wiring, you know then this is typically the cause of issues on current tractors. Weatherpack terminal connections are pretty good, but just the vibrations and wire coatings are still in flaw status (in my opinion) as these things are a constant problem.
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable.



I'm a skeptic whom has little time to accept that my driver has to swap batteries at 300 miles yet has another 200 miles to go and then back to point or origin.

And exactly where down town Chicago do you propose my drivers get out and swap their batteries?

No one is saying you have to convert your fleet to EVs anytime soon, if ever. Diesel/electric locomotives first came out in the mid 1930s but didn't outnumber steam locomotives until the 1950s. Steam locomotives persisted, albeit in declining numbers, for a couple of decades after that until the only remaining ones are essentially museum pieces, some of which still operate regularly for the tourist trade. The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades. The same will be true for EV trucks.

No see your not entirely on track there....

EV (vehicle means truck car or other) and have been around about or close to 100 years....

Where do you think this is going to happen in a few decades when they've already been trying this for way way WAY longer than that already??

LOL.

See this is why AUTO shouldn't be in a forum for computers.
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The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades.

Here. Just this alone.

Gas and Diesel. Apples to Apples.

Gas/Diesel VS electric Apples (AMD) to Oranges. (INTEL)

The first true diesel engine was invented in 1912 by Rudolf diesel. It wasn't first commercially used in trucks until twenty years later. Comparing the early electric cars to the ones being made now is the apple to oranges comparison (along with your AMD to INTEL comparison). That's like comparing the Wright Flyer to an F-16. The technology is completely different now.
     
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The first true diesel engine was invented in 1912 by Rudolf diesel. It wasn't first commercially used in trucks until twenty years later. Comparing the early electric cars to the ones being made now is the apple to oranges comparison (along with your AMD to INTEL comparison). That's like comparing the Wright Flyer to an F-16. The technology is completely different now.

The electric motor has been around even longer, and has been used in cars before 1900 AFAIK. The only problem has been battery chemistry and engineering.
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So lets talk charge times VS refueling times shall we?

Can fully refuel a tractor in just minutes.

How long does it take to recharge batteries on an EV tractor??

At this point, I'm convinced you either did not read any of the linked articles or you merely glanced at them. Battery recharging time is irrelevant if the battery packs are being swapped out. Musk has already demonstrated that battery packs can be swapped out in as little as 90 seconds. Others have speculated that 5-10 minutes would be more reasonable.



I'm a skeptic whom has little time to accept that my driver has to swap batteries at 300 miles yet has another 200 miles to go and then back to point or origin.

And exactly where down town Chicago do you propose my drivers get out and swap their batteries?

No one is saying you have to convert your fleet to EVs anytime soon, if ever. Diesel/electric locomotives first came out in the mid 1930s but didn't outnumber steam locomotives until the 1950s. Steam locomotives persisted, albeit in declining numbers, for a couple of decades after that until the only remaining ones are essentially museum pieces, some of which still operate regularly for the tourist trade. The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades. The same will be true for EV trucks.

No see your not entirely on track there....

EV (vehicle means truck car or other) and have been around about or close to 100 years....

Where do you think this is going to happen in a few decades when they've already been trying this for way way WAY longer than that already??

LOL.

See this is why AUTO shouldn't be in a forum for computers.
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The switch from gasoline powered trucks to diesel trucks took two or three decades.

Here. Just this alone.

Gas and Diesel. Apples to Apples.

Gas/Diesel VS electric Apples (AMD) to Oranges. (INTEL)

The first true diesel engine was invented in 1912 by Rudolf diesel. It wasn't first commercially used in trucks until twenty years later. Comparing the early electric cars to the ones being made now is the apple to oranges comparison (along with your AMD to INTEL comparison). That's like comparing the Wright Flyer to an F-16. The technology is completely different now.

It's still flies on the same basic principles just as modern processors are still X86 as they where decades ago...
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...Also stated that GLOBALLY this type of thing is way beyond any couple of decades let alone just here in the US...

Apparently, you missed the articles about electric busses already in operation.
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...If you truly are very know all of tractors and wiring, you know then this is typically the cause of issues on current tractors. Weatherpack terminal connections are pretty good, but just the vibrations and wire coatings are still in flaw status (in my opinion) as these things are a constant problem.

You're deflecting. This has nothing to do with the practicality of EVs.
     
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...Also stated that GLOBALLY this type of thing is way beyond any couple of decades let alone just here in the US...

Apparently, you missed the articles about electric busses already in operation.
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...If you truly are very know all of tractors and wiring, you know then this is typically the cause of issues on current tractors. Weatherpack terminal connections are pretty good, but just the vibrations and wire coatings are still in flaw status (in my opinion) as these things are a constant problem.

You're deflecting. This has nothing to do with the practicality of EVs.

If EV was actually as practical as you believe, then we'd all be driving one already.
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On that note Lady, exactly what kind of car/s/trucks do you drive/own? (If you don't mind me asking?)
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Diesel/electric locomotives first came out in the mid 1930s but didn't outnumber steam locomotives until the 1950s. Steam locomotives persisted, albeit in declining numbers, for a couple of decades after that until the only remaining ones are essentially museum pieces, some of which still operate regularly for the tourist trade.

I'm sorry but have to go back to this really quick as I was pondering on it....

I find it amusing that it takes the power of diesel to turn a generator to produce electricity while we go back and forth about how great EV would be but at what exact fossil fuel or other perhaps more dangerous fuel source such as Nuclear to create an energy from another energy...... Cost

Well, I've had enough fun.

Off to bed. Be well Automotive enthusiasts.
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