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I don't have any. It was just an observation. HBM is new'ish and introduces some challenges I'm sure. If it was GDDR5, these challenges wouldn't exist and development might have been easier.

I don't know...it was just a guess. I freely admit, my reasoning could be wrong.

LOL....."proof".
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post #142 of 664
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

They're using it to connect the cache to PCI-E out IIRC. It's a general-purpose interconnect so it's usable for nearly anything.

this, though it leaves us with the question of why they didn't use infinity fabric on their other chips.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/1/17 at 9:43am
post #143 of 664
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They're using it to connect the cache to PCI-E out IIRC. It's a general-purpose interconnect so it's usable for nearly anything.

ok so could be used for vega's top card then? without the need for crossfire? and with hbm2 helping the speed?

just curious if possible if not now but down the road

oops sry
Edited by pas008 - 5/1/17 at 9:43am
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ok so could be used for vega's top card then? without the need for crossfire? and with hbm2 helping the speed?

just curious if possible if not now but down the road

oops sry

infinity fabric is too slow latency wise, its the current issue with AM4, you need high-speed RAM (3000+ MT/s) to make infinity fabric perform better.
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ok so could be used for vega's top card then? without the need for crossfire? and with hbm2 helping the speed?

just curious if possible if not now but down the road

oops sry

I don't think Infinity Fabric would help with multi-GPU because the physical distance between GPUs induces too much latency, so I doubt they'd bother using it to replace Crossfire, which works fine as is.

From what we know they're only using infinity fabric internally to connect the cache and GPU to the pinout or something.
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I don't think Infinity Fabric would help with multi-GPU because the physical distance between GPUs induces too much latency, so I doubt they'd bother using it to replace Crossfire, which works fine as is.

From what we know they're only using infinity fabric internally to connect the cache and GPU to the pinout or something.

CCX to CCX and socket to socket communication too.
post #147 of 664
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Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post

Probably a fury. Here's one for comparison: http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1079852
I highly doubt Vega = Fury.

Edit: If you hit the search button under the futuremark logo, you can pull up all sorts of furies just like this.

A performance between 1070 and 1080 is better than Fury X. In fact it could be a shrinked down from 596mm² to roughly 400mm², if the rumours are true.In case AMD was able to fix some bottlenecks and even add capabilities, these results aren't that bad. All in all Vega would be cheaper to produce and can be offerred to lower prices than Nvidia then, who then be forced to drop prices too for staying competitive. Wasn't this the main goal you hear from alot of AMD fans?

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Well I won't lie, that Doom video troubles me a little bit.
But at the same time, why in the world all of their writing and speeches about Vega describe the GPU as revolutionary and disruptive?
I know how marketing works, overpromise and under deliver. But would they talk that much and then suck ?
I mean they took a lot of time. It's being released almost a whole year after the GTX1080.
There has to be something great about Vega. Let's see, I guess we should know the truth in the next few weeks.

It is not troubling at all. AMD is very starved for ressources since a while now. Then the Ryzen project came in and ate up even more of their R&D budget. The Doom demo of Vega is probably AMD's best case scenario. If you look back to the pre-Polaris release and how AMD used Ashes of the Singularity in favoring settings, this may be true.

Vega is neither revolutionary nor disruptive except maybe the use of HBM2 in consumer products. I can't remember if AMD really said this or the fanboys had another field day. If yes, it is another overstating nonsense like "overclockers dream" again. Wouldn't be the first time either. Remember how much AMD praised the changes in Tonga, making it out to be "a complete new architecture". The end results were rather disappointing. Same by the way with Polaris, an architecture which isn't able to defeat old cards form 2016/2014 like the 290X.

The Radeons started to widen their release gaps since a while. Remember how long the Radeon 200-300 series had to hold while fighting against Kepler and Maxwell? I think this type of release is starting to hurt AMD. They are no longer in a position where they can counter within a few months after the release of anything Nvidia brings. Those times are way too long in the past. Hard to even imagine when AMD had the last performance crown.
post #148 of 664
Unless it beats a Ti its an absolute bust
post #149 of 664
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Unless it beats a Ti its an absolute bust

Whether AMD beats the 1080 Ti or not are not the main problem here. Think about if AMD really pulled it off and beat the 1080 Ti somehow, but being obliterated by Volta a few months after. Then having nothing for a while to counter would be absolutely catastrophic. I don't know enough about Navi or when exactly it comes out. There are only rumours about Vega coming 2017 and 2018 right now. Might be a refresh or a split release.
post #150 of 664
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MI25 was clocked @1526Mhz, passive cooled. And Vega is inside.
Just saying.
It's not passively cooled, it's cooled by fans on the server chassis, which move plenty of air. It also has a 300W TDP. A heatsink capable of passively cooling that would be a sight to see.
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