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Anyone Just see AMD reported a $73mil loss for Q1 this year =/.

Did you expect anything different? AMD is a notorious money sinkhole. I don't care so much for Ryzen because all the money the CPUs aquire will be locked to future Ryzen+ developments only. It's the RTG division, which has to be looked at. I haven't seen the newest results, but I imagine the RTG did bringin losses again. My fear is the GPU division is not self-sufficient anymore.

In the long run this shortcoming will influence every GPU product coming out in the future. This is critical because between now and 2020 alot of high investments are necesary to keep track with other IT-companies. We are in a new age of fast technological advancements and AMD is more starved for ressources than ever.

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If they intend to challenge Volta it's going to need to be 1080 Ti speed at least, since mid-range Volta is likely to be that fast. AMD has no one to blame but themselves for people expecting it to compete with Volta.

IF Volta pulls a 30-40% performance increase like the jump from Kepler to Maxwell, speeds like the 1080 Ti would not suffice either. As you say, AMD does not help when they stay those arrogant know-it-alls, when in reality they are last at best and catching up all the time. Pascal is already close to EOL. Nvidia is just milking the last bits of their cash-cow and will change to Volta as soon as they can.

I feel so reminded when AMD touted Intel before the Core-2-Duo to Nehalem change. Back then the AMD management was equally arrogant and didn't see the signs of what was coming. The RTG as their daugther organization is equally flawed in their mentality. A little more modesty would help AMD massively. But with all those idiotic fans hyping up AMD even when they fail one project after another, it is no wonder they feel like kings.

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And I'd expect the fuss to continue for about 2 more months, since it's probably a late-June release.

Your rather mean the usual AMD paperlaunch at the very end of June and then 1-2 months until there are final cards available. If AMD were in massproduction already someone would have leaked information. Right now we hear absolutely nothing. Highly doubtful AMD has all their leaks under control. Not even Apple is able to do such a feat.
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But what are you comparing it to, what are the alternatives? If there are none then its not disappointing unless you had unrealistic expectations

The 1080TI delivers 11.3TFlops with a tdp of 250W. It's a better flops/W than Vega is going to be at 300W. And it's an ages old trend that AMD's cards have lower perf per (theooretical) TFlop in games than Nvidia cards. Like Fiji vs. the 980TI.
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I really hope Vega is just a tad faster than a gtx 1080. The response here will be priceless.
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I really hope Vega is just a tad faster than a gtx 1080. The response here will be priceless.

That's unrealistic since we already know Vega has to be running at 1500MHz for the MI25 and the DOOM demo gives us an idea of performance at 1200. A realistic worst case is a little worse than the 1080TI in performance and efficiency.
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The 1080TI delivers 11.3TFlops with a tdp of 250W. It's a better flops/W than Vega is going to be at 300W. And it's an ages old trend that AMD's cards have lower perf per (theooretical) TFlop in games than Nvidia cards. Like Fiji vs. the 980TI.

That is a faily useless comparison, the MI25 v 1080ti. The MI25 is a full HPC part with intact DP processing ability. For an apples to apples comparison you need to compare it to the P100. And then you would see its 300w v 300w, yet the MI25 has a higher theoretical TFLOP value than the P100
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That is a faily useless comparison, the MI25 v 1080ti. The MI25 is a full HPC part with intact DP processing ability. For an apples to apples comparison you need to compare it to the P100. And then you would see its 300w v 300w, yet the MI25 has a higher theoretical TFLOP value than the P100

Except that's a pointless comparison. The entire point of looking at the MI25 is to figure out how well Vega will run games and by extension how it'll measure up against its rival, the1080TI.
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Except that's a pointless comparison. The entire point of looking at the MI25 is to figure out how well Vega will run games and by extension how it'll measure up against its rival, the1080TI.

Actually, thats the only valid comparison you can make. Anything else is speculation. And if youre disappointed based on your own speculation, the blame doesnt fall on AMD


And I might add that this sentence "t's a better flops/W than Vega is going to be at 300W" is inaccurate when your account for the fact that the MI25 has half rate double precision, where the 1080ti does not.

Edit: I cannot find a source to support the claim about DP rate of MI25, but Ill leave it there anyway
Edited by helis4life - 5/1/17 at 9:29pm
post #228 of 664
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

I don't know who you are referring to, but I'm not claiming that they are hyping Vega.

On the other hand, contrary to what some are saying, they aren't quiet either. Answering a direct and clear question about how it performs compared to the 1080 Ti and Titan Xp is putting a performance bar on the table whether you admit it or not. Let's get the record straight on this. They aren't hyping it, but they are mentioning the ballpark.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3378010/join-tom-hardware-amd-thursday-april-6th/page-3.html


In all fairness, what could've he said otherwise even if Vega falls significantly short of 1080 Ti? Also "really nice" is just way too vague and could mean anything from 10% slower to 10% faster. The most I'm willing to read into it is that Vega is not likely to be significantly behind (>20% behind) 1080 Ti.

Then again, we also had the CTO(!) claim Fury X was an overclocker's dream, so... (although maybe he meant it literally, as in you can only dream of overclocking the Fury X devil.gif)
post #229 of 664
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

That's unrealistic since we already know Vega has to be running at 1500MHz for the MI25 and the DOOM demo gives us an idea of performance at 1200. A realistic worst case is a little worse than the 1080TI in performance and efficiency.

Yeah, I'm still wondering about that 25 TFlop number. AMD was pretty careful not to put a TFlop number on the MI25 press release or specs - that's a derived number from the servers they mention in the release (unless they've clarified that somewhere I missed), which says "up to ...", and the naming convention. Kind of makes me wonder if there might be some shenanigans with that value.
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Originally Posted by Pyrotagonist View Post

It is not passively cooled. It requires airflow, but the fans are not mounted on the card.

Of course. Also they shouldn't use it when it's inside of a 400 degree oven.

Just read a little bit about Vega Instinct. Watch the enclosure as well.
It is indeed passively cooled, of course.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-announces-radeon-instinct-including-vega-based-mi25-accelerator.html
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