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Who would believe the 580 is only 4% faster than a 290, a 4-year old card? Because it is.

Considering you're comparing a "flagship" card vs a mid-range card, it seems reasonable. 580 is much smaller, uses less power and is a hell of a lot cooler than the 290.

Anyway, all these Vega threads have shown me that too many OCN members believe in rumor and speculation as fact and continue to expect AMD to fail without even having the patience to wait for the release. Ironically, the same members sing praises about how Nvidia is always the performance king, but never actually purchase the high-end cards because they are too cheap/poor/indecisive or whatever excuse and just continue ranting about how AMD has disappointed them. rolleyes.gif
    
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Nothing special about that. The 290 is an older but way more expensive ($400), higher end GPU.
And it's not 4% faster, but 14% faster.
It's 4% faster than the 290X, which was a $500 gpu.

It also has a measurable compute capability.... ( for those of us that need it )....

I now have four R9 280X cards watercooled..... OR I would need a dozen top of the range RX series cards.

dunx

P.S. Please feed us some accurate info guys..... spending required !
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Literally fake news.

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Originally Posted by Shatun-Bear View Post

Who would believe the 580 is only 4% faster than a 290, a 4-year old card? Because it is.

Vega may very well be 1200Mhz boost clock and around 1080 performance or a little less as estimated by its DOOM and BF performance.

There are differences many between R9 390X vs RX 480
Different architecture.
First of all, memory bandwith
ROPs: 64 / 32
TMUs: 176 / 144
But basically almost same amounts of TFLOPs. RX 480 is faster at 1080P and same or slower at higher resolution.

Even, if VEGA would have same architecture as polaris, it would be faster than fury X 10-15% with same TFLOPs, 32ROPs and around 80% of TMUs... you have to note that Polaris is also bandwidth starved and VEGA will have higher bandwidth than FURY X.. so i would say with same TFLOPs and polaris arch it could have been around 20% faster.

I think they will go for 2x FURY X performance with VEGA.
14nm should allow them if CHIP would be as big as FURY, but it is not. So we will see were will VEGA fall.. somewhere between 1,5x to 2x of Fury X.
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This would be pretty close to my estimates for Vega as well (Fury X +45% @1080p). Actually, the lower bound of my expectations, I'd expect more like 50-60% improvements over Fury X if AMD clocks these aggressively like they usually do. I think it could be 10% better than this but probably not more. I doubt they'll really double Fury X performance, although they actually need to in order to keep competition going.

 

E:

 

1080 Ti is also about 60% faster than 980 Ti at 1080p.


Edited by TheBlademaster01 - 4/29/17 at 3:41am
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Considering you're comparing a "flagship" card vs a mid-range card, it seems reasonable. 580 is much smaller, uses less power and is a hell of a lot cooler than the 290.

Anyway, all these Vega threads have shown me that too many OCN members believe in rumor and speculation as fact and continue to expect AMD to fail without even having the patience to wait for the release. Ironically, the same members sing praises about how Nvidia is always the performance king, but never actually purchase the high-end cards because they are too cheap/poor/indecisive or whatever excuse and just continue ranting about how AMD has disappointed them. rolleyes.gif

Considering i came from a GTX 480, 8800GTX and GTX 780, your assertion that i am too cheap, poor and indecisive to buy high end cards is asinine.

I could go out and buy a Nvidia card literally the next day, but after having bad experiences with Nvidia, i'm not going back to them unless absolutely necessary. If AMD doesn't provide the performance then i'll have no choice but to go Volta. And before you ask why im waiting, it's stupid to buy a 1080Ti when Volta is on the horizon and i'm giving Vega a chance to prove itself.

And if the benchmarks are true, that it sits at 1080 or in the best case, 1080Ti, it will still have failed, cos the marketing was certainly targeting Volta with the poor Volta slogan.

I will still reserve my judgement until actual benchmarks come out. But if this benchmark is identical to release day benchmarks in performance, then i'll have to go green again as much as i don't like it.
Edited by Nickyvida - 4/29/17 at 3:36am
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Considering i came from a GTX 480, 8800GTX and GTX 780, your assertion that i am too cheap, poor and indecisive is asinine.

I could go out and buy a Nvidia card literally the next day, but after having bad experiences with Nvidia, i'm not going back to them unless absolutely necessary. If AMD doesn't provide the performance then i'll have no choice but to go Volta.

And if the benchmarks are true, that it sits at 1080 or in the best case, 1080Ti, it will still have failed, cos the marketing was certainly targeting Volta with the poor Volta slogan.

Those benchmarks are not benchmarks. Its a mathematical value calculated based on tflop value of 4096 by 1200mhz. None of which is based on any factual information.
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If AMD wants to give us 1080 performance levels for $300, that's fine with me. I'm willing to switch over to the new "enthusiast" paradigm of buying mid range cards every 1-2 years.

It might not be as sexy as the glory days of buying flagship cards for $500 that would last 3-4 years, but it still sure as heck beats Nvidia's current proposal of buying high end (but not flagship) cards for $750 every 2 years.

Of course, proper competition across all tiers would still be ideal.
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lol I will go ahead and confirm that TPU page is a placeholder and nothing more, don't read anything into it.
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Hopefully since im looking for 1080ti performance for my next upgrade over my 980ti SLI.
Sick of the Nvidia milking, bad drivers and near non-existent SLI support.

Nvidia can't FORCE SLI onto a game. That lies with the Game's Dev team to make SLI work properly. tongue.gif
     
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