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Same specs, they upped the frequency to 1500MHz and doubled the memory bandwidth lachen.gif

the instinct MI25's bandwidth spec is quite unusual, technically HBM2 is clocked at 1000Mhz (2000MT/s) by default, and using 8192bit bus for a 12TFLOP card is a waste.

on a further note, it literally has the same core configuration as Fury X, so we can easily speculate it's performance by extrapolating the IPC gains of Vega over Fiji uarch.
Edited by epic1337 - 5/2/17 at 9:41pm
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So it looks like both Vega 20 and MI25 are the full chip ( one without ECC + higher clocks? ) and Vega 10 = Titan X ( 3584 / 3840 ).
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Same specs, they upped the frequency to 1500MHz and doubled the memory bandwidth lachen.gif

And there in lies my point. These are simply place holders with no validity to the known universe outside of Sunnyvale. Yet there are those on this site
that will take any piece of news, as long as it makes amd look incompetent, and create post after post of opinionated drivel
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Well to be fair, there are also others who will hype AMD to high heavens given the slightest inkling of positive rumor.
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Well to be fair, there are also others who will hype AMD to high heavens given the slightest inkling of positive rumor.

Excepr the Volta ad was the biggesr hype engine in all of this. Since the shot has been fired it has to hit its target, in line with the ad's targeted objective and expectations . Anything other than that would be failure.
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How do you come to this number? Rumours right now range from Volta releases between Q3/2017 at the earliest to Q1/2018 at most. AMD's Vega will likely come late June 2017 and then take several weeks or even months to be available. Would you like to buy a brand new graphics card when a better model is that close in? I mean, AMD fans are used to wait literally forever. What are a few more to come? wink.gif
Don't mind his comment. Some guys just live off by putting words into other people's posts or completely switch the meaning to their liking. It's getting tiresome, but not all of them are doing it on purpose. The ad was another failure by AMD telling "we are better, but not yet ... maybe later". A little more realsim would work wonders in their marketing. For a company that hasn't brought in any profits in years, this is quite the statement.
The ad had nothing to do with early Volta information. It's just the usual bad marketing AMD always has. What irks me is the low level quality these ads have since a few years. Punching down is never a good attitude. Especially if you are a 2nd at best company like AMD. Leaves such a bad taste in the mouth. If either Intel or Nvidia did the same, hell would spoil over in contrast.
At least Nvidai brought something with Pascal in between. AMD on the other hand seems to leave the spot completely open like how their high-end is missing since felt ages. The context is only so far AMD is overstating again and will get another round of beatings. Not that it hasn't happened against both Intel and Nvidia, some would think they learn their lesson. To me it seems AMD management must consist of copmlete masochist who need their daily punishment, even if it is self-inflicted. tongue.gif


Yeah i was pretty puzzled by the ad. It makes no sense unless they can target Volta. They can talk, but delivering is another thing altogether. If they'd said Pascal it wouldnt be too bad since 1080Ti is pretty reachable. But Volta is another story altogether.

This is another overclocker's dream but on an epic scale if it doesnt deliver.
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And there in lies my point. These are simply place holders with no validity to the known universe outside of Sunnyvale. Yet there are those on this site
that will take any piece of news, as long as it makes amd look incompetent, and create post after post of opinionated drivel

Don't we have that on both sides?
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Well to be fair, there are also others who will hype AMD to high heavens given the slightest inkling of positive rumor.

Just a moment ago I wanted to write exactly that. Precisely because of this I am not a fan of this synthetic benchmark mud fights. i am more buffled that some go as far as to take a MI25 professonal card into the discussion. A card that doesn't even have any video output. It's an accelerator card, not a gaming one.

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Excepr the Volta ad was the biggesr hype engine in all of this. Since the shot has been fired it has to hit its target, in line with the ad's targeted objective and expectations . Anything other than that would be failure.

Some AMD fans are just too guillable and believe everything AMD says. Yet after so much hype it would be time to deliver.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 5/2/17 at 10:07pm
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Don't we have that on both sides?
Just a moment ago I wanted to write exactly that. Precisely because of this I am not a fan of this synthetic benchmark mud fights. i am more buffled that some go as far as to take a MI25 professonal card into the discussion. A card that doesn't even have any video output. It's an accelerator card, not a gaming one.
Some AMD fans are just to guillable and believe everything AMD says. Yet after so much hype it would be time to deliver.

I may have an AMD card and want to support the underdog against Nvidia but i dont let blind love get in the way of facts. As a customer, performance is my main point in securing a gpu purchase not brand loyalty.
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Yeah i was pretty puzzled by the ad. It makes no sense unless they can target Volta. They can talk, but delivering is another thing altogether. If they'd said Pascal it wouldnt be too bad since 1080Ti is pretty reachable. But Volta is another story altogether.

This is another overclocker's dream but on an epic scale if it doesnt deliver.

Honestly it's a mindless promotional material meant to be treated as such (ie NOT at face value).

Look I get your point, but I still think you're taking this way too seriously. My reaction when I saw that ad? Oh hey nice poster, reminds me of Red Faction games. Poor Volta? LOL AMD's marketing dept is smoking something again.
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Just a moment ago I wanted to write exactly that. Precisely because of this I am not a fan of this synthetic benchmark mud fights. i am more buffled that some go as far as to take a MI25 professonal card into the discussion. A card that doesn't even have any video output. It's an accelerator card, not a gaming one.
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I thought that would have been obvious? Its to draw attention to the fact that there pages of a vega based gpu that provide vastly different performance metrics. Both are questionable, both appear to be on unsupported metrics. One is negative, the other is much more positive. Neither card is available, neither card has been released. But your buffled that someone would bring in an example of another variant of the vega soc being considerably more positive than the other, when this entire thread was spawned based on fake news (not to mention the second one that was locked at page 3)



And on the other point regarding AMD marketing and Poor Voltage. The card is still locked behind closed doors, no one that we know of has one to benchmark. It could be bad, good or great.

But coming on here and saying AMD are fools because of that line, when the card hasnt materialized yet is nothing but emotionally driven hyperbole
Edited by helis4life - 5/2/17 at 10:14pm
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