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Overclocker's dream was mentioned in those exact words by Joe Macri, the CTO (Chief Technology Officer). There's no backpedaling from that.

Poor Volta came from a marketing ad, and even then it's supposed to be "poor voltage", so clearly a very tongue-in-cheek jab. Not even remotely comparable.

 

The hyperbole surrounding that advert is just absurd. I don't know why people take those things as gospel. It's the same logic by which fast-food companies need to tell you that their hot coffee is hot.

 

And yeah, Joe Macri definitely said it and I agree it can't be denied, but it's also been used in far too many lateral goalpost shifts. It was a plain stupid thing for the man to say, but to hear some people tell it, AMD was running constant ads declaring it and the boxes were all stamped with the phrase such that we must assume all AMD products will inevitably fail.

 

There's also the cognitive dissonance of having one's wariness level raised by AMD's 'constant lies' whilst taking a goofy web ad completely seriously, but that's a whole 'nother topic.


Edited by SuperZan - 5/2/17 at 11:45pm
 
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post #332 of 664
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Again, I ask you how your 8 months assumption comes from.

It is still unclear what is about this Volta 2017 release rumours / news. Is is true or just hype similar to what happends to Vega right now. There is sitll a possibilty Nvidia will release Volta based cards between September to November and sprinkle all classes slightly behind each other into Q1/2018. Vega first of all has to proof it can take on Pascal. It's highly to doubt Volta would be slower than Pascal, so by exclusion it has to be faster than its predecessor.

Vega might come in several waves too. There were slides liked months ago which state AMD would bring Vega 2017 and 2018. Could be a refresh, but then again "WE KNOW NOTHING". in the minds of many Vega is late to the party because it let Pascal reign so long uncontested. It's release is very overdue. Many gamers want new hardware and wait forever for AMD to offer something.

Im one of those gamers, I would like new hardware, I wanted the fury X but it didnt have a large enough performance delta over 290x to justify a purchase. But I also am acutely aware that AMD owe me nothing, they release what they release when they release it. They are not late, there is no late. There is first, but not last. If i build a car and try to sell it, am I 109 years late? And if you insist that I am, then being late is nothing but a meaningless label. If my car is good value people will buy it


Amd dont have to offer the fastest, or the lowest power consumption. They just need to offer value
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They can only be late with a product if they announce an official release date and then miss that date. That's why Nvidia and AMD are typically reticent to announce hard launch dates and typically keep things ambiguous in that regard.
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Im one of those gamers, I would like new hardware, I wanted the fury X but it didnt have a large enough performance delta over 290x to justify a purchase. But I also am acutely aware that AMD owe me nothing, they release what they release when they release it. They are not late, there is no late. There is first, but not last. If i build a car and try to sell it, am I 109 years late? And if you insist that I am, then being late is nothing but a meaningless label. If my car is good value people will buy it

The Fury X wasn't bad enough in performacne delta over 290X, it was the 4Gb vs the 8gb what was bad.

Of course AMD owes you something, you are the customer. If they want to win you over, some good offering is the least AMD needs to bring to the table. I didn't understand what you meant with the car tale. Value is subjective, but generally defined by features and offerings. If AMD has nothing of both, there is no reason to chose them. it's that simple. Just because AMD is seen as the underdog gives no incentive to buy their products either.

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Amd dont have to offer the fastest, or the lowest power consumption. They just need to offer value

Again with the value .. for AMD this usually means they have to offer procuts at last as fast as the competition, yet with half the price. This is not coming from me. Others tell this all the time. Power consumption is only one metric of many. Getting their act together and even out lots of their product's shortcomings would be a start. Not offering any high-end product for almost a year is not what creates value. If they are not really faster then any year-old Nvidia product, people will just wave aside their offerings.

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

They can only be late with a product if they announce an official release date and then miss that date. That's why Nvidia and AMD are typically reticent to announce hard launch dates and typically keep things ambiguous in that regard.

One thing is the internal product schedule and the other one the customer market schedule. If customers want a product at a given time and you can't deliver, it is your fault as a company. Even worse when a competitors can deliver said product at the right time and you can't for quite a while, nothing can be worse. If you really believe AMD did actually plan to not release Vega after a year behind Polaris, you must be pretty naive. AMD is just starved for cash and othe ressources and had to prioritize Ryzen too.

BTW - AMD hasn't had a hardlaunch in ages. They are the kings of paperlaunches and rebranding as of today. Rebadging a complete series with new stickers is not a hardlaunch. It's lazy recycling. In reality it is so quiet about Vega because the damn chip is not entirely ready for the market yet.

Be ready to have another ripes-in-customer-hands product like Ryzen. An infant product still in its teething process and full of technical children deseases. I don't say they will be bad, but at the time they are OK-ish, they will be outdated already. This has happened to i.e. Fiji too.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

How could a "Poor Volta" ad ever be taken as anything other than tongue-in-cheek? AMD has no idea what Nvidia will be bringing to the table with Volta in 2018 so how could they possibly design a card that is guaranteed to beat it? Its mindless advertising people, Vega's competition is Pascal, end of story...

Wow, so it's tongue in cheek and mindless advertising now? rolleyes.gif Keep the excuses coming. Defending this is just encouraging more of it to happen and giving people ammunition to people that call AMD overclocker's dream, rebrandeon etc.

End of the day, it put out an ad that called out Volta, not Pascal, hence it's targeting Volta. If it fails to beat it, then Vega should be deemed a failure. But if it competes with the product competitively, then fair enough.
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I believe the overclockers dream was related to the AIO water cooler. And you dont know that Poor Voltage is a gaffe or anything yet. Can you at least just admit that? Im doubtful

I said if. You guys are so busy defending AMD you fail to spot the IF in my posts. If it fails to beat Volta, given the ad they put out calling it out, then it should be a failure . IF=A hypothetical situation, if you don't understand what it means.
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Even if Vega was faster than Volta he would just say its a fail cuz its slower than Einstein (or whatever Nvidia will call its release after Volta). Just a constant moving of the goal posts to always call out AMD as crap. Best to just ignore the fanboys and focus on what performance we can reasonably expect from Vega. Somewhere between the 1080 and 1080Ti is a pretty safe bet. Whether its closer to the 1080 or the 1080Ti is still the mystery at this point.

Except AMD set the goalposts firmly at Volta with the Poor Volta Ad, i'm just using it as a marker in line with the ad and have not moved it like you claimed i have. If Vega performs crap in relative to Volta'sin its release in 2018, then it should be a failure, if it performs competitively against Volta then fair enough.


If there's any fanboys here, its the usual suspects like helis4life, which is one of the reasons i have him on the block list.
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why are you so mad?
post #339 of 664
IKR?
I'm pretty sure I'm getting Vega, probably 2. If it is comparable in price/perf to NVidia and better than the 1080, that is all I need. I would even pay up to $100 extra for a factory AIO and a beefed up board like Fury X. I know I'm leaning more towards getting them than most, but a lot of that has to do with my cards getting old, having money to waste and really not liking how NVidia's boost works when you have sli on air and how you can't just flash it away anymore.
That and I like new tech, Vega has got the new arch that does new stuff and the new memory on a nice little package.
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End of the day, it put out an ad that called out Volta, not Pascal, hence it's targeting Volta. If it fails to beat it, then Vega should be deemed a failure. But if it competes with the product competitively, then fair enough.

I'm sorry but I'll need more than a video with drums to believe it targets volta or anything else. It was a jab, nothing more. Especially how they turned nvidia's logo into "sumnum industries"... possibly a jab at their iterative architectures over innovation.. (Ironic considering the state of GCN..)

Now if they release marketing slides showing the SKUs and the segment they belong to, now that I'll take seriously. The video served only one purpose: to drum up attention to their new upcoming architecture. They'll get my attention once they have a release date and a working production demo. I felt the same way about Rysen; I didn't care about the engineering samples and their low clocks.
Edited by Lee Patekar - 5/3/17 at 6:11am
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