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Fair enough, I stand corrected. It looks like the 780Ti launch spread from 290x is about the same as it was 10 months in.

So what you're really saying is that Vega might look pretty good against the 1080Ti in 2019? thumb.gif

I'll see myself out. biggrin.gif

No, your point is 100% true just it didn't happen quite that fast.

I think Vega is going to be closer to the 1080 Ti than we think right from the start.
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I'm sorry but I'll need more than a video with drums to believe it targets volta or anything else. It was a jab, nothing more. Especially how they turned nvidia's logo into "sumnum industries"... possibly a jab at their iterative architectures over innovation.. (Ironic considering the state of GCN..)

Now if they release marketing slides showing the SKUs and the segment they belong to, now that I'll take seriously. The video served only one purpose: to drum up attention to their new upcoming architecture. They'll get my attention once they have a release date and a working production demo. I felt the same way about Rysen; I didn't care about the engineering samples and their low clocks.

Oh, so the green background, the Voltage with ge conspicuously hidden by the betterred logo isn't enough for you? Poor Voltage does not make any sense alone. My point is, if you can afford to throw jabs, you better have a product that can back it up with competitive performance against the product you're targeting. Just like if you're going to boast or poke fun at or call out people for example, like Ronda against Holm or whatever you better back it up, or else you're just going to look foolish if you can't deliver.


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How about to wait for the release and then we can grab our pitchforks?
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Defending this is just encouraging more of it to happen and giving people ammunition to people that call AMD overclocker's dream, rebrandeon etc.

End of the day, it put out an ad that called out Volta, not Pascal, hence it's targeting Volta. If it fails to beat it, then Vega should be deemed a failure. But if it competes with the product competitively, then fair enough.
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Except AMD set the goalposts firmly at Volta with the Poor Volta Ad, i'm just using it as a marker in line with the ad and have not moved it like you claimed i have. If Vega performs crap in relative to Volta'sin its release in 2018, then it should be a failure, if it performs competitively against Volta then fair enough.


If there's any fanboys here, its the usual suspects like helis4life, which is one of the reasons i have him on the block list.

If the leaked slides islegit, that AMD aim for around 230W TDP for the smallest Volta while the biggest is 300W, I doubt Vega have a chance against Volta in terms of efficiency. If performance/watt is better than Pascal, well then it could be called a Volta competitor.
Gonna need a small miracle for that though
Edited by iLeakStuff - 5/3/17 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

Oh, so the green background, the Voltage with ge conspicuously hidden by the betterred logo isn't enough for you? Poor Voltage does not make any sense alone. My point is, if you can afford to throw jabs, you better have a product that can back it up with competitive performance against the product you're targeting. Just like if you're going to boast or poke fun at or call out people for example, like Ronda against Holm or whatever you better back it up, or else you're just going to look foolish if you can't deliver.

If you make your purchasing decisions based on memes then I understand your opinion. Its like believing a certain GPU will have massive overclocking headroom when some marketing sod makes a one-time off comment about it being an overclockers dream because of its cooling solution. The drum video is meaningless, much like the other leaked promotional video of a video on a laptop. Its all noise.

The only thing that matters are specifications and production demos. We have neither. So forgive me if I don't take your "vega must compete with volta" spiel seriously. The only thing Vega needs is offer value to potential clients. If the performance and price are right it will sell. And that's why I'm waiting for official marketing slides showing SKUs, specs and market segments.

Edit: the only thing the drum video tells me personally is this: Vega is still being worked on and AMD believe it will be good. That's not saying much and "good" is a relative term. Thus the need for 3rd party benches. And also, when the 1080 GTX was unveiled nVidia spoke of performance relative to Maxwell in VR applications only.. that's why they had such massive performance deltas to show. The delta was quite more reasonable in non-VR DX11 titles however as seen in 3rd party benches. That release event and their benchmarks was noise too. Slightly more tangible than the drum video (they showed features) but the performance numbers where hard to quantify and meaningless for the mass majority of gamers (playing non VR games).
Edited by Lee Patekar - 5/3/17 at 9:16am
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If you make your purchasing decisions based on memes then I understand your opinion. Its like believing a certain GPU will have massive overclocking headroom when some marketing sod makes a one-time off comment about it being an overclockers dream because of its cooling solution. The drum video is meaningless, much like the other leaked promotional video of a video on a laptop. Its all noise.

The only thing that matters are specifications and production demos. We have neither. So forgive me if I don't take your "vega must compete with volta" spiel seriously. The only thing Vega needs is offer value to potential clients. If the performance and price are right it will sell. And that's why I'm waiting for official marketing slides showing SKUs, specs and market segments.

Edit: the only thing the drum video tells me personally is this: Vega is still being worked on and AMD believe it will be good. That's not saying much and "good" is a relative term. Thus the need for 3rd party benches. And also, when the 1080 GTX was unveiled nVidia spoke of performance relative to Maxwell in VR applications only.. that's why they had such massive performance deltas to show. The delta was quite more reasonable in non-VR DX11 titles however, as seen in 3rd party benches. That too was noise like the drum video.

I dont base my purchasing of GPUs off memes, thank you very much. I base it on performance.TSince the ad was targeting Volta, they should be reasonably expected to compete with it or else its just going to make them look bad if it doesnt. Brushing it off as noise or mindless advertising is just putting your head in the sand im afraid.

If*= hypothetical situation in the future. God. Im not saying Vega is bad now. I said if it is bad(when benchmarked against Volta in the future and performs crap in comparison) then it is bad given the nature of the poor Volta ad.
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How about to wait for the release and then we can grab our pitchforks?

Are you crazy?
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I dont base my purchasing of GPUs off memes, thank you very much. I base it on performance.TSince the ad was targeting Volta, they should be reasonably expected to compete with it or else its just going to make them look bad if it doesnt. Brushing it off as noise or mindless advertising is just putting your head in the sandim afraid. Companies should be careful about what they market or say in an official capacity unless they are sure they can back up thier statements.


If*= hypothetical situation in the future. God. Im not saying Vega is bad now. I said if it is bad(when benchmarked against Volta in the future and performs crap in comparison) then it is bad given the nature of the poor Volta ad.

That's the rub isn't it, proving the video is an official statement that vega is targeting volta. But it was an add to generate some noise about their next architecture... it says so itself at the end with "The Radeon Vega Architecture Preview ... make some noise."

So if you insist its targeting volta because of a few frames, meithers well say Vega will be a loud GPU that makes some noise... That it will be cheap, considering the landscape the video was filmed in. And that it will be entirely unlocked because of the sign saying "give the people full control". And that they have a secret warehouse with stacks of Vega GPUs reaching the ceiling waiting for the rebellion against sumnum tyranny.

Feel free to read how the launch will go in tea leaves too.

:^)
Edited by Lee Patekar - 5/3/17 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by SuperZan View Post

The hyperbole surrounding that advert is just absurd. I don't know why people take those things as gospel. It's the same logic by which fast-food companies need to tell you that their hot coffee is hot.
Coffee does not need to be hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns. If it is then it can't be dispensed in wobbly styrofoam containers at a drive-through. I agree that it's not about telling people the coffee is hot. It's about giving people coffee at a reasonable temperature.
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