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"Based on AMD’s quoted FP32 and FP16 figures for its Vega based Radeon Instinct MI25 Vega 10 operates at a clock speed above 1.5Ghz." https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vega-specs-leaked-linux-patch/

Not sure if t has been posted yet, but I'm hopeful vega competes with 1080ti.

I wonder if its Global Foundry's process that was the limiting factor for the lower than expected Polaris clocks... or something architectural. If its the former, we may see similar issues with Vega... unless they have them manufactured at TSMC or elsewhere.

We'll see soon enough.. a month? Two months?

It's architectural, but Vega was redesigned for higher clocks.

 
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It's architectural, but Vega was redesigned for higher clocks.

Higher clocks *and* higher IPC.. Can't wait to see third party benchmarks on this one. Hope we see some competition in the high end, for my wallet's sake :^)
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Higher clocks *and* higher IPC.. Can't wait to see third party benchmarks on this one. Hope we see some competition in the high end, for my wallet's sake :^)


If its less than 100% better than pascal, its a fail and Amd are dooooooomed



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If its less than 100% better than pascal, its a fail and Amd are dooooooomed



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Well, a graphic in an advert made a concrete statement of fact and thus the bar has been set. We must hold to it with religious fervour as we do with all advertisements. That's why I'm embroiled in a class action lawsuit with Victoria's Secret, as their products did not immediately turn me into Gisele Bündchen even though their ads clearly implied that this would occur.
 
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I wonder if its Global Foundry's process that was the limiting factor for the lower than expected Polaris clocks... or something architectural. If its the former, we may see similar issues with Vega... unless they have them manufactured at TSMC or elsewhere.

We'll see soon enough.. a month? Two months?

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1050Ti got around 1,9ghz bost clock on GF 14nm proces.

Ok, I didn't think of the matter in such a way. I would have said it might have been a bad process node meeting a somewhat flawed design like Nvidia's Fermi did. Yet it seems it is entirely the fault of AMD's GCN architecture? Maybe Polaris really was a dud in technical terms. Though I wonder if the lower architecture is already no-good, how can the higher one gets way better? It's common knowledge the smaller chips are generally more efficient.

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It's architectural, but Vega was redesigned for higher clocks.


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If its less than 100% better than pascal, its a fail and Amd are dooooooomed

No, AMD is doomed because their mismanagement is just idiotic. I mean, when you can't make profits over several years in a row, yet behave like you are the king of the hill, it doesn't fare well. They have to finally decide if they are the small underdog or the champion. Both at the same time are not possible. That would be a 1-time exception.

I believe this claim of "designed for higher clocks" when I can finally see it. Still doubful if a 4000+ shader GPU can have higher clocks as well. Look at Nvidia's 1080 Ti with under 3600 shaders (CUDA cores). Not even Pascal can maintain the usual higher clocks, although it is purely designed for exactly that. They had to lower both the base and the boost-clocks.

I expect another way too ambitious claim from AMD here.
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But the 1080ti can do close to 2ghz or more I don't follow the news so much nowadays.

And why do you even compare the shaders on different architectures?
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No, AMD is doomed because their mismanagement is just idiotic. I mean, when you can't make profits over several years in a row, yet behave like you are the king of the hill, it doesn't fare well. They have to finally decide if they are the small underdog or the champion. Both at the same time are not possible. That would be a 1-time exception.
Their management is fine, and they have a clear focus as to what they're trying to accomplish. The issue is people pretend things in the semiconductor industry happen over night. Things the new management got rolling 3-4 years ago are just now starting to see the light of day.
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Their management is fine, and they have a clear focus as to what they're trying to accomplish. The issue is people pretend things in the semiconductor industry happen over night. Things the new management got rolling 3-4 years ago are just now starting to see the light of day.

Quite frankly, all comments about AMD's management are fiction. Unless you have a high-level position at AMD or are privy to a lot of insider information, you're literally talking out of your ass.
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Ok, I didn't think of the matter in such a way. I would have said it might have been a bad process node meeting a somewhat flawed design like Nvidia's Fermi did. Yet it seems it is entirely the fault of AMD's GCN architecture? Maybe Polaris really was a dud in technical terms. Though I wonder if the lower architecture is already no-good, how can the higher one gets way better? It's common knowledge the smaller chips are generally more efficient.

No, AMD is doomed because their mismanagement is just idiotic. I mean, when you can't make profits over several years in a row, yet behave like you are the king of the hill, it doesn't fare well. They have to finally decide if they are the small underdog or the champion. Both at the same time are not possible. That would be a 1-time exception.

I believe this claim of "designed for higher clocks" when I can finally see it. Still doubful if a 4000+ shader GPU can have higher clocks as well. Look at Nvidia's 1080 Ti with under 3600 shaders (CUDA cores). Not even Pascal can maintain the usual higher clocks, although it is purely designed for exactly that. They had to lower both the base and the boost-clocks.

I expect another way too ambitious claim from AMD here.


Are you another armchair director, or do you actually run a company with a market cap of at least 1b to be able to offer a valid opinion on AMD's management acumen? (hot tip: I sincerely doubt it)
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Are you another armchair director, or do you actually run a company with a market cap of at least 1b to be able to offer a valid opinion on AMD's management acumen? (hot tip: I sincerely doubt it)

While the criticism is fair, what is this arbitrary requirement of running a company with a market cap of at least 1 billion? In addition to that, you don't need to run a company, or have run a company to have the expertise needed to offer valid opinion on AMD's management. A consultant in a relevant field can do that. There are also different management styles with different end goals in mind... Context plays a key role in determining how effective the management is.
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