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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

But the 1080ti can do close to 2ghz or more I don't follow the news so much nowadays.

And why do you even compare the shaders on different architectures?

I did compare AMD's GCN shaders to Nvidia CUDA cores withall we know up till today. Vega is another iteration, but I highly doubt it will be a overhauled on all levels. Especially without anything to test out in between.

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Originally Posted by AmericanLoco View Post

Their management is fine, and they have a clear focus as to what they're trying to accomplish. The issue is people pretend things in the semiconductor industry happen over night. Things the new management got rolling 3-4 years ago are just now starting to see the light of day.

If you haven't noticed, AMD is in constant rebuild process since over 10 years. The management is as bad as always. Three to four years are alot of time to change things around. I haven't seen that light you speak of at all. AMD is not over the hill yet. They still have lots of work to do.

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Originally Posted by helis4life View Post

Are you another armchair director, or do you actually run a company with a market cap of at least 1b to be able to offer a valid opinion on AMD's management acumen? (hot tip: I sincerely doubt it)

Unllike most of the posters here I would have most of the economical qualifications, yes. Marekt cap means nothing, its only toy money for the gamblers at the stock market. Armchair director or not, anybody sees decisions as Rebranding whole series over and over as failure. A RX500 series should i.e. never came to market. AMD is full of such mismanaged decisions.

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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

Without knowing all the facts most of the times it is worthless. Except for some situations like Bulldozer period one etc etc..

Everyone in the IT-industry was laughing at the "Future is Fusion" nonsense AMD told everyone ... and they were all right. Bulldozer and Fiji were laughable for what they promised. I go as far and say Polaris wasn't better either. We will see where this is going.

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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

The bulldozer fiasco isn't just management. In fact, management could've been stellar but from the outside Bulldozer looks like a failure in strategy and engineering.

Let's name it was it was: Pure arrogance!
AMD management thought they knew everything better than everybody else. They have this strange opinion the industry will adopt to them, not vice versa. When this doesn't happen, they sit on ther bums and wonder what is going on. I can not count how often AMD talks about what the devs and programmers in the industry have to do and optimize for AMD products and features.

As long as this work was paid, results came in here and there. Today AMD can't pay those partners like in the past and nobody optimizes for them anymore. This is indeed a failure in business strategy and engineering, I agree!

My guess is this HBCC stuff is the next chapter of this ongoing scheme.

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Originally Posted by AmericanLoco View Post

I'm not talking out of my ass. Any product in the semiconductor industry typically has a 3-5 year lead time from conception to shipping product. Lisa Su & Friends didn't start running AMD until 2014. Products being released in 2017 are ones that will have come fully under her leadership. Anything released prior was well in development before she took the reigns.

Stop wringing the truth!
Lisa Su was always thought as 2nd in command, appointed by former AMD CEO Rory Read himself. She was in the upper management since end of 2011. The only thing happening since then is the former weak CPU divison wanted to take control again from the GPU division. They took the majority of the funds for Ryzen and let the new RTG division starve with the minimium. You see the results in the GPU-products. They are often missing long time or just rehashes.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 5/3/17 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by LancerVI View Post

After reading through this thread, you strike me as the kind of guy that expects to have tons of hot, sexy ladies around you all the time because you buy Budweiser. rolleyes.gif

Am i right?? biggrin.gif

Come on, eh.....a little levity.


Except those another a whole nother thing.


Im just saying since they can afford to throw barbs at Nvidia over Volta , they better well back it up against Volta in 2018 when Vega is benchmarked against it rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

Except those another a whole nother thing.


Im just saying since they can afford to throw barbs at Nvidia over Volta , they better well back it up against Volta in 2018 when Vega is benchmarked against it rolleyes.gif

Not at all!
By the time Volta is coming, the same AMD heroes (hyping their products for over 3 years now) will already cheer for NAVI. biggrin.gif
They will hang on as always and play the waiting game for another 1-2 years thumb.gif
post #384 of 664
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Originally Posted by WorldExclusive View Post

With SLI/CF dead, I'm only buying the most powerful card I can afford.
AMD fans got suckered into the CF RX480 slides competing with a 1080 last year. Don't let AMD do it again.

Either they have a top shelf GPU, or they are ignored.
Oh but it's only $350 for 1080 performance! I can get a used 1080 available right now for sub $400 on craigslist.

This. But im still going to ride the top gpu crossfiretrain, assuming if Vega is competitive. Otherwise ill just go back to Nvidia route if it cannot give what i want in performance.
post #385 of 664
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Originally Posted by Hardware Hoshi View Post

Unllike most of the posters here I would have most of the economical qualifications, yes. Marekt cap means nothing, its only toy money for the gamblers at the stock market. Armchair director or not, anybody sees decisions as Rebranding whole series over and over as failure. A RX500 series should i.e. never came to market. AMD is full of such mismanaged decisions.


Youre going to have to qualify that with some specific information, otherwise its hubris as you cant possibly know who browses these forums or their qualifications.




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Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

Except those another a whole nother thing.


Im just saying since they can afford to throw barbs at Nvidia over Volta , they better well back it up against Volta in 2018 when Vega is benchmarked against it rolleyes.gif

And thats not an unreasonable assessment. But youve said it. Over and over, thread after thread. We get it. But to make a determination on their product and execution before it is launched
is pointless. You claim to be unbiased because you own some amd products, but then insist they must meet X target or they have failed because of a poster in a video.

I promise you this, if they release a 1080 performance card for 400 dollars, NO ONE will give a damn about poor volta in a video months ago. Except you of course. And maybe one other. And then you can finally buy your nvidia god card



History is not a reliable predictor of future events, bulldozer > ryzen is an apt example
post #386 of 664
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Originally Posted by Hardware Hoshi View Post

Not at all!
By the time Volta is coming, the same AMD heroes (hyping their products for over 3 years now) will already cheer for NAVI. biggrin.gif
They will hang on as always and play the waiting game for another 1-2 years thumb.gif

This.

When it was hawaii.. Wait for Fiji and when it was Fiji... Wait for Polaris and when Polaris failed.. It was wait for Vega

So if Vega fails it's wait for Navi? biggrin.gif

Oops. Better not mention Polaris since AMD fanboys will claim irs not competing in the high end market. biggrin.gif
post #387 of 664
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Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

This.

When it was hawaii.. Wait for Fiji and when it was Fiji... Wait for Polaris and when Polaris failed.. It was wait for Vega

So if Vega fails it's wait for Navi? biggrin.gif

Oops. Better not mention Polaris since AMD fanboys will claim irs not competing in the high end market. biggrin.gif

Failure needs context. RX 480 was a success. RX 580 is a rebrand. Don't really see why they needed to rebrand it if Vega isn't out.
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This.

When it was hawaii.. Wait for Fiji and when it was Fiji... Wait for Polaris and when Polaris failed.. It was wait for Vega

So if Vega fails it's wait for Navi? biggrin.gif

Oops. Better not mention Polaris since AMD fanboys will claim irs not competing in the high end market. biggrin.gif



Polaris wasnt a fail. AMD has gained market share since its inception. Are you claiming that polaris was competing in the high end that is a fail because of that? I can see you think youre being clever or witty. It comes across as dense.
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Polaris wasnt a fail. AMD has gained market share since its inception. Are you claiming that polaris was competing in the high end that is a fail because of that? I can see you think youre being clever or witty. It comes across as dense.


Polaris was the reason why titan could afford to go from $1000 to $1200. That indirectly also means all Nvidia lineup will scale up as well



By releasing a high end card every 2 years to me is a fail.
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Polaris was the reason why titan could afford to go from $1000 to $1200. That indirectly also means all Nvidia lineup will scale up as well



By releasing a high end card every 2 years to me is a fail.

 

The bold bit as a specific point can reasonably be considered 'a fail'. That != Polaris failing on its own merits.

 
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