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There's no tax and shipping is free wink.gif.

Just sayin...



Looking at $427 out the door...

But yes, "MOST" GTX 1080's are not this cheap.

But I'd take this one in a heartbeat, if I didn't already have one wink.gif
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I buy GPUs for my personal use off this site's marketplace. Imo, used Nvidia GPUs are always going to be better value than brand new AMD GPUs... Though used AMD GPUs have been performance/dollar kings since forever. Personally though, I'm gonna try to snatch a used 1080 for around 300-400$ when Volta's mid range comes out.
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This is 100% speculation. A change in management can have a significant impact on products released, or whether they are released at all.
You're strawmanning my argument. I never said they wouldn't be influenced. I said products being released in 2017 will be the first products that could possibly be released totally under the current management - from conception to being on the store shelves. Any products AMD released prior to 2017 (Zen, Fiji, Polaris, APUs) would have been conceived under previous management.
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If you haven't noticed, AMD is in constant rebuild process since over 10 years. The management is as bad as always. Three to four years are alot of time to change things around. I haven't seen that light you speak of at all. AMD is not over the hill yet. They still have lots of work to do.
I have not spoken of any "light". 3-4 years is NOT a lot of time to turn things around in the semiconductor industry, especially when your entire product portfolio is bad. Like I said, it takes 3-5 years for a brand new processor design to see the light of day. The reason why companies like Intel, Apple, Samsung, etc... can release new chips every 8-12 months is because they have multiple teams working on multiple products concurrently.
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Lisa Su was always thought as 2nd in command, appointed by former AMD CEO Rory Read himself. She was in the upper management since end of 2011. The only thing happening since then is the former weak CPU divison wanted to take control again from the GPU division. They took the majority of the funds for Ryzen and let the new RTG division starve with the minimium. You see the results in the GPU-products. They are often missing long time or just rehashes.
That's a nice theory, but the reality is the whole company was suffering long before that. Fiji and Hawaii both took ~2 years to come to market, and they were both released before the formation of RTG.
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By releasing a high end card every 2 years to me is a fail.

Welcome to Nvidia's product cycle post Fermi...
Edited by Slomo4shO - 5/3/17 at 8:42pm
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Except AMD set the goalposts firmly at Volta with the Poor Volta Ad, i'm just using it as a marker in line with the ad and have not moved it like you claimed i have. If Vega performs crap in relative to Volta'sin its release in 2018, then it should be a failure, if it performs competitively against Volta then fair enough.


If there's any fanboys here, its the usual suspects like helis4life, which is one of the reasons i have him on the block list.

Vega was always designed to compete against Pascal, not Vega, otherwise they'd be releasing it late this year or early next year to match Volta's launch. Its been known for, oh, a year and a half that AMD was flipping their release schedule to bring mid range out first this generation and flag ship last which is why Polaris is the only thing we've gotten from them thus far. To be fair I don't think they expected Vega to take this long after Polaris but priority was obviously given to Ryzen and for good reason. If you assume Vega is competing with Volta then you are saying they simply decided to skip a flag ship release this generation which is silly. They are aiming for the product that is around now, not the one that won't be out until next year.
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You're strawmanning my argument. I never said they wouldn't be influenced. I said products being released in 2017 will be the first products that could possibly be released totally under the current management - from conception to being on the store shelves. Any products AMD released prior to 2017 (Zen, Fiji, Polaris, APUs) would have been conceived under previous management.
I have not spoken of any "light". 3-4 years is NOT a lot of time to turn things around in the semiconductor industry, especially when your entire product portfolio is bad. Like I said, it takes 3-5 years for a brand new processor design to see the light of day. The reason why companies like Intel, Apple, Samsung, etc... can release new chips every 8-12 months is because they have multiple teams working on multiple products concurrently.
That's a nice theory, but the reality is the whole company was suffering long before that. Fiji and Hawaii both took ~2 years to come to market, and they were both released before the formation of RTG.

Calling your argument speculation is not a strawman.
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"Their management is fine, and they have a clear focus as to what they're trying to accomplish. The issue is people pretend things in the semiconductor industry happen over night. Things the new management got rolling 3-4 years ago are just now starting to see the light of day."

For all we know, they are following the same roadmap created years ago. Nobody on this board even understands what business management is... let alone have any authority on which to "grade" it with.
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Nobody on this board even understands what business management is... let alone have any authority on which to "grade" it with.

That's a rather broad statement. I am sure there are quite a few on this board who understand and earn their living from understanding business management.
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That's a rather broad statement. I am sure there are quite a few on this board who understand and earn their living from understanding business management.

Apologies, just meant it as a broad statement. I'm sure there are actually people who specialize in this kind of stuff on this board. Just tired of all the armchair CEOs here.
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Believe me, there are armchair "experts" on every single subject you can think of on this board.
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Failure needs context. RX 480 was a success. RX 580 is a rebrand. Don't really see why they needed to rebrand it if Vega isn't out.

Technically it's a refresh biggrin.gif

Worst refresh I've ever seen.
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