Originally Posted by TheBlademaster01
Price is still a pretty big factor. If it's $500 and say within 5% of a 1080 Ti, I would consider it very successful tbh. GP104 performance ~5-6 months in 2017 is a fail IMO.
Having the higher general costs of HBM2 in mind, this is very unlikely. Having the memory alone with a said to be 4096 shader GPU will never cost under 600-700 bucks. If Vega is remotely close to the 1080 Ti, AMD can price it similar .. maybe slightly cheaper. Offering their product would indicate they are weaker than Nvidia. AMD's CEO Lisa Su said that AMd does not want to be seen as the budget brand.
Ryzen was an exception because AMD was practically dead in the CPU section for years. There is as good as no brand reputation left and prizing the CPUs way cheaper was the only way to get back into the heads of the consumers.
(sorry this was not the answer to your post, but my quotes got missing and I am not willing to go through all comments to find it again
Originally Posted by starliner
But what if it's half the price? eh?
Yeah, I duno. Fire sale on AMD stock
Half the price is a myth. AMD tried this in the past to gain market share (and it failed miserably). People bought the stuff but AMD also lost lots of money, staying in the losses for years. It will be a wonder if they even get to 1080 Ti levels without another round of compromizes.
The AMD stock is nothing bug an object for high-risk gamblers. If Vega is not the mega-hit, it could theoretically drop dramatically again.
Originally Posted by iLeakStuff
If Vega comes out equal to GTX 1080, AMD have failed bigtime.
It will be 2 freaking years after GTX 1080 was released and they only now come out with something competitive to that?
You either meant Maxwell's GTX 980 Ti or had meant with 1 year delay after Pascal GTX 1080.
Of course it would be a fail, but if we consider the scarce ressources AMD is operating with, the result would not be a surprise. Ryzen took serious amount of the companies R&D budget. The RTG division must have suffered severely from this fact. In such a situation being competitive is outright ludicrous. Keep in mind AMD was already behind against Maxwell. Against Pascal they probably try to get as much ground as they can. Hard to do if there are so many road blocks and open issues to deal with but no time and money available.
Originally Posted by iLeakStuff
Slap on HBM2 and hope that is enough for sales?
AMD should sell their GPU IPs to a company that wants to compete for the sake of their customers if true.
This is BS. Better be fake
Your suggestion is actually my ideal scenario. Better sell the RTG and let someone take control who is up for the job. Being in a pseudo competion only and deliver medicre results will help nobody except maybe Nvidia.
On the other hand, this does not necesarily be a fake. The numbers are theoretcial, but for a strange reason they could match the smaller Vega. If true the smaller Vega comes 2017 and the bigger one .. let's say early 2018. With all the chaos in the AMD naming & model schemes it is totally confusing talking about their development.
Originally Posted by Nickyvida
Only 1080 performance? Would have to guess it's a bust then. And to think they were saying Poor Volta. It should be Poor Vega.
You miss the point. It is not poor Volta, rather poor AMD marketing.
Their marketing campaigns have been questionable since a while. From Fiji's overclockers dream to "has a brain and a soul" nothing but nonsense came out of their sources. I wouldn't believe a single word they say. Especially since Polaris has been such a failure in technical terms.
Wait for final reviews and prices, then we can talk again.