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post #21 of 41
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There is a difference between plagiarizing written works and getting a patent for something like printing out an email. rolleyes.gif

Intellectual property is a cornerstone of out economy and it should be; but a patent for prepackaging hoses, electric motor, impeller, and a radiator is a little rolleyes.gif

I know you're being facetious, but I thought the issue was the design packing of the pump to be directly on the processor with the block. You couldn't (can't) buy a DIY kit for that AFAIK. Your pump and block are separate items. So it was more than just gathering parts and assembling them for the end user.

edit: Actually I forgot about the Apogee drive.
Edited by CasualCat - 5/1/17 at 1:04pm
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post #22 of 41
The motor and impeller is their design, correct? The setup is their design, correct? The radiator may not be but it is part of their overall design, correct?

So the whole unit ideserves protection under the law and the whole unit is to be submitted to the court for scrutiny. You cannot just pick and choose what is to be litigated and what is not. The courts do that, not the intellectual property owner. That's how the court will judge the merits of the case. Apparently the courts sided with Asetek since there were not enough changes by Cooler Master to have the case tossed out. rolleyes.gif

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post #23 of 41
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Deepcool circumvented this dumb patent in a smart way, and it adds unique looks to the block too.
Is that a heat sink?
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Deepcool circumvented this dumb patent in a smart way, and it adds unique looks to the block too.
Is that a heat sink?

With a small bent tube "reservior" in the middle. smile.gif

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post #25 of 41
The patent iirc is for the "pump attached to a cold plate" design.

Which is why the "Apogee drive" design on the Swiftech H220 couldn't be sold in US
Edited by DaaQ - 5/1/17 at 4:13pm
post #26 of 41
Well there we go. If CoolerMaster indeed copied the design and sold in the US, then Asetek had a right to seek compensation with the patent suit. mellowsmiley.gif

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post #27 of 41
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Well there we go. If CoolerMaster indeed copied the design and sold in the US, then Asetek had a right to seek compensation with the patent suit. mellowsmiley.gif

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Problem is Asetek didn't actually invent anything here. They simply took a bunch of existing parts and configured them in a way that was already being used in other industries but not yet in the home computer industry.

They should never have been awarded a patent on anything other than perhaps a design patent for the aesthetic design of their original LCLC concept (and even then only if you consider Apple's "rounded corners" style patents to be valid to begin with).

Imagine if a company during the early days of personal computers, say IBM or MITS, was awarded a patent for having a fan attached to a heatsink. I think we're all pretty happy that we aren't all limited to server chassis cooling designs or grossly overpaying the one patent troll who owns the monopoly on HSFs.
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Problem is Asetek didn't actually invent anything here. They simply took a bunch of existing parts and configured them in a way that was already being used in other industries but not yet in the home computer industry.

They should never have been awarded a patent on anything other than perhaps a design patent for the aesthetic design of their original LCLC concept (and even then only if you consider Apple's "rounded corners" style patents to be valid to begin with).

Imagine if a company during the early days of personal computers, say IBM or MITS, was awarded a patent for having a fan attached to a heatsink. I think we're all pretty happy that we aren't all limited to server chassis cooling designs or grossly overpaying the one patent troll who owns the monopoly on HSFs.

Yeah, the patent system in the USA is a joke. The problem now and for the past few decades, even, is that there is too much "lawyer money" in patent trolling and patent defense.

This is one industry the lawyers' lobby won't let get reformed.
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*sigh* mellowsmiley.gif

Cannot stop litigation of any kind in the USA. There is nothing wrong with the patent office in the US. In fact patents are very well researched before they are granted. They comb through all the existing patent data and if none exists they bump it up to the next level. If the application fails to meet the parameters in the next phase they simply deny it. Basically the applicant has to submit in writing the idea and the merits of its intended use. You cannot simply patent a common idea without explaining how the idea works.

This concept of Asetek having patented something that fills a roll in other areas is malarkey. I guarantee if that were the case they would never have passed the first patent phase let alone the 2nd and any Defense attorney worth a damn, would have uncovered even one existing patent in any area where the pump and or pump to plate feature were already in use. Cooler Master does not strike me as a company that doesn't have a capable legal team under retainer. rolleyes.gif

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*sigh* mellowsmiley.gif

Cannot stop litigation of any kind in the USA. There is nothing wrong with the patent office in the US. In fact patents are very well researched before they are granted. They comb through all the existing patent data and if none exists they bump it up to the next level. If the application fails to meet the parameters in the next phase they simply deny it. Basically the applicant has to submit in writing the idea and the merits of its intended use. You cannot simply patent a common idea without explaining how the idea works.

This concept of Asetek having patented something that fills a roll in other areas is malarkey. I guarantee if that were the case they would never have passed the first patent phase let alone the 2nd and any Defense attorney worth a damn, would have uncovered even one existing patent in any area where the pump and or pump to plate feature were already in use. Cooler Master does not strike me as a company that doesn't have a capable legal team under retainer. rolleyes.gif

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Although it is probably pointless arguing with someone who so firmly holds such a nonsense bias towards the US patent office, I'll still mention that prior use defense was basically non-existant until 2011 (which was several years after aestek's patent was granted) and is still the weakest and most frequently discarded form of defense against patent trolls.

You don't need to invent anything to patent it, you just have to be the first to claim you invented it, or even just the first to claim adaption to a particular industry even if an identical product was already patented for another use, provided you have enough money to throw at lawyers.

The invention never even has to be made, nor does it have to be theoretically possible to make or function as described. Furthermore, once a patent is granted, it is almost never revoked, no matter how absurd of a mistake it was in the first place.

US patent law is far from well researched, fair, or anything of the sort. It is, however, a total joke of a federal office that defends and empowers trolls, fails to protect actual inventors, stifles competition, and ensures that only those who are morally bankrup and legally wealthy are allowed to play the intellectual property game.

Edited by Zero4549 - 5/2/17 at 8:55am
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