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post #71 of 160
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Originally Posted by thompax View Post

mousewheel click & stiffer springs, received new one last week, this is my third g pro.
The springs on my new g pro feels identical to my late batch g303, kinda impossible to missclick now

Wait what? i have 3 g pros from different batches and they all have very light clicks. Are you sure of what you are saying ?
post #72 of 160
Been using this mouse since last Wednesday - I agree with Ino. If you like this shape it's the perfect mouse!

I have 19cmx10cm hands and I use this mouse very comfortably so don't be put off by its small size. The way I grip the mouse is kind of like a weird hybrid - the mouse hump sits just below my knuckles and the end of the mouse doesn't even reach past half way down my palm, and is only held really between my ring finger which is laid down like palm grippers would and thumb is angled like a claw gripper would. My little finger just kinda hangs out on its own (like it does for me with most mice apart from the really big ones like EC1-a, Ventus X). Index and ring finger rest on the main buttons mostly flat with a very slight arch.

Once my hands generate some heat the mouse starts sticking to the inside of the palm and feels solid and doesn't slip about like the weird grainy texture of the G Pro. The white Nixeus Revel being glossy used to stick immediately which I quite liked about it. Just takes a bit of patience or maybe moisturiser for the coating of the KPOE to achieve the same 'stickiness'.

The nice thing about the KPOE is that it doesn't start to feel grimy like the glossy surface of the Revel which is nice but I'll probably end up giving it a good wipe down every now and then since I don't want the surface getting all nasty.

I'll take some pictures later, I have an unusual hand size though, shorter fingers than palm length... I hate my hands :\

I'll edit this post and add stuff to it when I think of it but so far, I got a good feeling about this one. Might even be the only mouse I ever buy now in the future barring upgrades from roccat to this mouse itself.
Edited by TrancePlant - 5/2/17 at 4:42am
post #73 of 160
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

but you can throw differences away as tolerances.

it's unnecessary to immediately jump to the conclusion that they have fixed, or changed anything at all based on units sounding or feeling different.
besides tolerances within batches, there are also different batches.

it's true they could've changed things without notification, but two different units isn't proof of that.


anyway oneeyedsmiley02.png
nevermind recording.
I got 2 g-pros(early batches, because i couldn't cancel the order from logitech web shop), both of them had extremely light clicks. Recently i went to a retail store and they had one g pro for display, i tried it for a brief time, coating felt the same but the buttons were stiffer and more tactile they felt like d2f-01f. If they didn't change anything there is huge variance in tolerance between 20mil omrons because i also got 4 g403s and all of them sound and feel almost identical.
post #74 of 160
Got a question. To order it from amazon.de, I need to wait until the 5th of may to be again avaible, so I tried to buy it from roccat.org/de so from their online shop, but it says that I can't add the article in the cart. Do you guy also have the same issue?
post #75 of 160
i'm not claiming they didn't change anything, i only pointed out that you have no proof to claim that they did, at most reason to suspect.
post #76 of 160
I've been looking for a new mouse for a while now and after trying g403 and discovering that even computer peripherals are getting triggered too easily these days, kone pure is the next mouse I could potentially try. But first, I have a few questions that I would like a Roccat representative to answer.

1. I'd like to renew a question from the other thread which went unanswered. Why didn't you put a skate around the sensor? In the PMW3360 Product Datasheet, it says the following: "Note: Mouse feet should be placed close to the opening to stabilize the surface within the FOV of the sensor." Why do you think your mouse doesn't need one? Did you test it on both hard and soft mousepads? Does it work equally well on both? I like to buy the mouse and mousepad from the same manufacturer for optimum compatibility and prefer big soft pads like Taito King but now I'm wondering if maybe I should get a hard pad. As far as I know, you don't make hard pads.

2. Do the actual cpi values really deviate from the driver settings? From what I've seen on Ino's youtube channel, he's measuring method is imprecise. He cannot reproduce the results reliably. He does 3 measurements and then takes the average. I like to measure and set my sensitivity to a single millimeter and a 2% deviation with a sensitivity of 50cm/360 would result in 51cm/360 in reality. That is far from "perfectly fine" and "unrelenting precision" and more like "meh, close enough" precision.
Buying an expensive product and having to **** around with rulers right off the bat is rather off-putting. If the values deviate, are they always 2% higher or can they be 2% lower and anywhere in between? I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into if I decide to buy the mouse.

3. A question to anyone with the mouse: Did you test it in intense gameplay that requires a lot of lifting and recentering the mouse on your mousepad? Do little shocks to the mouse cause misclicks? (this should probably become a standard test nowadays if there's a fashion for such sensitive buttons)
post #77 of 160
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Originally Posted by 1conoclast View Post

I've been looking for a new mouse for a while now and after trying g403 and discovering that even computer peripherals are getting triggered too easily these days, kone pure is the next mouse I could potentially try. But first, I have a few questions that I would like a Roccat representative to answer.

1. I'd like to renew a question from the other thread which went unanswered. Why didn't you put a skate around the sensor? In the PMW3360 Product Datasheet, it says the following: "Note: Mouse feet should be placed close to the opening to stabilize the surface within the FOV of the sensor." Why do you think your mouse doesn't need one? Did you test it on both hard and soft mousepads? Does it work equally well on both? I like to buy the mouse and mousepad from the same manufacturer for optimum compatibility and prefer big soft pads like Taito King but now I'm wondering if maybe I should get a hard pad. As far as I know, you don't make hard pads.

2. Do the actual cpi values really deviate from the driver settings? From what I've seen on Ino's youtube channel, he's measuring method is imprecise. He cannot reproduce the results reliably. He does 3 measurements and then takes the average. I like to measure and set my sensitivity to a single millimeter and a 2% deviation with a sensitivity of 50cm/360 would result in 51cm/360 in reality. That is far from "perfectly fine" and "unrelenting precision" and more like "meh, close enough" precision.
Buying an expensive product and having to **** around with rulers right off the bat is rather off-putting. If the values deviate, are they always 2% higher or can they be 2% lower and anywhere in between? I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into if I decide to buy the mouse.

3. A question to anyone with the mouse: Did you test it in intense gameplay that requires a lot of lifting and recentering the mouse on your mousepad? Do little shocks to the mouse cause misclicks? (this should probably become a standard test nowadays if there's a fashion for such sensitive buttons)


I' am not a roccat representer but I'll try to answer your questions.

1: You already answered this question to your self. It says "Note: Mouse feet should be placed close to the opening to stabilize the surface within the FOV of the sensor." If the lower part of the mouse is hard enough, then it will always be stable over the surface you play on.

2: CPIs are slightly over the declared one, and they dont change. Also, it's not only roccat mice that have CPI divergence. Every gaming mouse has it, it depends on the native CPI and firmware. If you've ever tried a lot of gaming mice then you would know that it is normal, and it will never be fully precise, you will never be able to see like let's say 800 CPI being real 800 CPI. Zowie, with their 3310 implementation, has lower CPI and declared.

3: Can not answer to this question since I still haven't tried the mouse, but I do have a Kone Pure Military (previous version) and never had the tapping issue where you would always misclick when dropping it back on the mouse pad.
post #78 of 160
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Originally Posted by GrinNeXuS View Post

I' am not a roccat representer but I'll try to answer your questions.

1: You already answered this question to your self. It says "Note: Mouse feet should be placed close to the opening to stabilize the surface within the FOV of the sensor." If the lower part of the mouse is hard enough, then it will always be stable over the surface you play on.

2: CPIs are slightly over the declared one, and they dont change. Also, it's not only roccat mice that have CPI divergence. Every gaming mouse has it, it depends on the native CPI and firmware. If you've ever tried a lot of gaming mice then you would know that it is normal, and it will never be fully precise, you will never be able to see like let's say 800 CPI being real 800 CPI. Zowie, with their 3310 implementation, has lower CPI and declared.

3: Can not answer to this question since I still haven't tried the mouse, but I do have a Kone Pure Military (previous version) and never had the tapping issue where you would always misclick when dropping it back on the mouse pad.

Was about to comment the exact same thing, you beat me to it.

To answer question 3 . Mine doesn't . Yes the clicks are light, not as light as g-pro or g403 clicks, but not far off either. I can imagine that if they were separated from the shell, they would feel identical to g403 clicks.

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Originally Posted by 1conoclast View Post

I like to measure and set my sensitivity to a single millimeter and a 2% deviation with a sensitivity of 50cm/360 would result in 51cm/360 in reality.

As GrinNexus explained it already. Every mouse, even one from the same batch varies in cpi values. So the only way of making sure, that your sensitivity is the same across different mice, games, and whenever you change your mousefeet or even pad. Get a measuring tape/ruler and measure it yourself.
(or use the mousetester software to measure it accurately )
Edited by James N - 5/2/17 at 7:19am
post #79 of 160
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Originally Posted by 1conoclast View Post

2. Do the actual cpi values really deviate from the driver settings? From what I've seen on Ino's youtube channel, he's measuring method is imprecise. He cannot reproduce the results reliably. He does 3 measurements and then takes the average. I like to measure and set my sensitivity to a single millimeter and a 2% deviation with a sensitivity of 50cm/360 would result in 51cm/360 in reality. That is far from "perfectly fine" and "unrelenting precision" and more like "meh, close enough" precision.
Buying an expensive product and having to **** around with rulers right off the bat is rather off-putting. If the values deviate, are they always 2% higher or can they be 2% lower and anywhere in between? I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into if I decide to buy the mouse.

Actual CPI values depend on surface as well as the mouse. It's ridiculous to even expect they will be accurate on every mousepad.
post #80 of 160
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Originally Posted by M1st View Post

Actual CPI values depend on surface as well as the mouse. It's ridiculous to even expect they will be accurate on every mousepad.

And the mouse skates and the amount of wear. It doesn't even stay perfectly consistent with use though most feet don't wear very quickly on soft pads.
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